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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I don't think that is it. There are, and have been plenty of "pagans" and atheists over time who have conducted themselves at an acceptable level of personal conduct.

I believe that part of the deterioration of the Christian, particularly Protestant Christian movement over time is the increase in the average education level of the congregations. Simply declaring "absolute truth" ain't as easy a sell as it used to be to the great unwashed masses who couldn't even begin to question authority with any level of self-confidence and with an entire repression apparatus ranging from war, to physical torture, to shunning, available to it.

Many pastors are not inclined, either by natural intellect nor by training, to lead anything, let alone the spiritual lives of others. The whole "pastor" and "flock" metaphor breaks down badly when many consider the pastor to be a lightly credentialed idiot who couldn't defend the faith against even the least profound of the classical inconvenient questions that give rise to doubt. Many divinity schools are little better than diploma mills for the talentless.

The Catholic Church escapes this somewhat with a more rigorous training program and an overall less educated following, but undermine that with lax recruitment of priests and an unconscionable lack of turning over sexual offenders to the civil authority.

It is small wonder that institutions that cannot put forth first rate personnel as "leaders" cannot also recruit or retain "followers."
20 posted on 03/09/2009 10:17:55 AM PDT by Goldsborough (Non Sibi)
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To: Goldsborough
I believe that part of the deterioration of the Christian, particularly Protestant Christian movement over time is the increase in the average education level of the congregations.

Funny, I would have attributed it to exactly the opposite cause - the average education level (or, more accurately, actual knowledge level) of the American population as a whole is going down. This is concomitant with a steady drop in the ability of American to use logic and reason. My church is in an extremely well-educated, economically above-average county and our congregation reflects this - even though we're a true-to-life fundamentalist Baptist church - the average IQ of our congregation would definitely be above the national average, as would our education level, and concurrently our ability to rationally defend the faith against all comers.

The problem is that most of the people who we're rationally defending the faith to - including many self-professed atheists - are not themselves capable of using reason. I've seen this first hand on many occasions. Emotion guides their thinking. They reject Christianity because it would keep them from doing something they want to do. Often, what they're rejecting is not even authentic Christianity, but a media-created caricature, which they've never bothered to rationally assess versus the real thing.

No, sorry, the problem isn't that the country's getting too "smart" for Christianity. If anything, it's just the opposite - the country's getting too dumb for it. The country's getting to the point where our publik skools are churning out hordes of mouth-breathers who can't think, can't reason, couldn't understand the ins-and-outs of theological doctrines well enough to truly decide whether they believe them. And the colleges are the same way. We need to understand that intelligence and the ability to think are not necessarily correlative with increasing education, even when you get to the advanced degrees, even when you're talking about "hard" subjects like the sciences. I've met plenty of science PhDs who struck me as being dumb as a pile of bricks, and left me wondering who in their right mind would give them a doctorate.

25 posted on 03/09/2009 10:36:36 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (True nobility is exempt from fear - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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