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11and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

You found a good verse, but you don't know what to do with it...

Rom 4:3 For what saith the Scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Rom 4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

Who's the 'we'??? The WE is Christians...Gentile, Jew, and anything else in between...'For there is no difference', in Christ...And that's the difference, that there IS NO difference, in Christ...Outside of Christ, there's a HUGE difference...

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Rom 4:3 For what saith the Scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Whoa, What happened here??? Now there's an odd thing, isn't it...Over there in James, Abraham is NOW justified by works...

Now here in the book of Hebrews, someone is speaking obviously to believers in Jesus Christ...

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

So what's going on here??? Who are the 'THEM'??? Why are these Hebrews being spoken to as believers but are instructed to follow 'them' who will inherit the promises???

The 'THEM' is us...Christians...At the end of the New Testament Jesus is again speaking to the Hebrews...

Most people disregard the little words in scripture...I believe the are the main Characters in the Scriptures...Here's an example...

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Most if not all translations change that word 'by' to through...But they are not the same...We can know that because they are spelled differently...

Some people can get to God through Jesus Christ...(in Christ, Christ in you)...Others can get to God but not necessarily through Jesus Christ but 'by' the authority of Jesus Christ...But then you have to be a dispensationalist to get this...

dispensational theology makes an argument for the negation of the redemptive work of Christ relative to the nation state of Israel. According to dispensation theology, God is going to fulfill His promise to Israel during the millennial rule of Christ. No need for faith in the Cross, God will redeem the nation state.

I'd say you don't know dispensational theology...

Two things here...Jews will be saved during the Tribulation by faith in Jesus Christ AND good works...They must endure to the end (of the Tribulation, or their untimely death for their belief)...This takes place while the church, the body of Christ is in Heaven attending her wedding and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb...

If that is "reading what Scripture plainly says," I would hate to see you parse words.

Whoa, What happened here??? Now there's an odd thing, isn't it...Over there in James, Abraham is NOW justified by works...

What happened is that you quoted Scripture piecemeal, out of order, and out of context in order to squeeze a poorly formulated point from it.

Some people can get to God through Jesus Christ...(in Christ, Christ in you)...Others can get to God but not necessarily through Jesus Christ but 'by' the authority of Jesus Christ...

Why then is it constantly denied that dispensation theology asserts that there is one salvation for the nation state of Israel and another for everyone else.

But then you have to be a dispensationalist to get this...

I suppose one would need to be a dispensationalist to understand it because it makes about as much sense Biblically as the theological prowess displayed earlier in the reply.

I'd say you don't know dispensational theology...

Two things here...Jews will be saved during the Tribulation by faith in Jesus Christ AND good works...They must endure to the end (of the Tribulation, or their untimely death for their belief)...This takes place while the church, the body of Christ is in Heaven attending her wedding and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb...

Oh no, I understand it well enough. You have simply restated what I have asserted in different terms. Still, you say the redemptive work of Christ is not necessary for Jews because they get a "second chance" post rapture.

Have been quite fascinated at going over a list of Scriptures the last 6 months or so . . . how

UTTERLY ABSURD

grandiosely absurd

the preterist REPLACEMENTARIAN position is . . . just straightforwardly, logically, Biblicly. Just amazing.

And then to read such absurd posts hereon by folks who obviously consider themselves to be erudite, logical, smart, theologically astute etc.

. . . it’s INCREDIBLE TO THE MAX . . .

kind of like folks considering OThuga an American suitable to be PRESIDENT!

WHAT ALICE-IN-WONDERLAND ABSURDITIES TO THE MAX!

I keep threatening to compile such a list of Scriptures and just post the Scriptures. Even 1-3 of which would be sufficient to blow out of the water the whole REPLACEMENTARIAN craziness.

When there are dozens and dozens and dozens of verses piling up shredding the preterist REPLACEMENTARIAN position, it gets soooooooooooooooooo absurd that one begins to wonder what happens between the ears of ANYONE who would dare to imagine it otherwise.

I keep coming back to the conviction that some “Christians” are also plagued with the GREAT DELUSIONS of the END TIMES.

Then there’s the aspect of NONE ARE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT . . . . WILL NOT . . . see.