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To: topcat54
The text is quite plain. Christ first (aka “the first resurrection”, that, we know is past),

and those who are Christ’s at His coming (Second coming that is, not “rapture”),

and then “the end” when the kingdom is delivered up to the Father.

in Paul’s mind this was a present, not future reality.

How could you possibly say that in view of the surrounding scripture??? The second coming of Jesus has NOT taken place...Paul KNEW the 2nd coming had not taken place...He certainly would have been preaching a different message had he believed that...

Paul would have been preachin that Jesus was here for the 2nd time and now we are waiting for the the Kingdom to be delivered up to the Father...And that is NOT what Paul is preaching...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Were all men made alive in Christ, at His 2nd coming in 70 A.D.??? Of course not...

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,

Paul is talking future...That's clear...

even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

At this point all rule and authority has been put in subjection to the Son. “For He must reign” –

Paul just disagreed with you...There is no 'at this point'...The END must first come...

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

SHALL BE...FUTURE...Paul did not believe nor teach the Kingdom had been delivered to God nor did he teach Jesus was reigning over the nations...

Paul says this happens after the END...

And the END hasn't happened yet...

232 posted on 03/02/2009 1:21:38 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool; Lee N. Field; raynearhood
How could you possibly say that in view of the surrounding scripture??? The second coming of Jesus has NOT taken place...Paul KNEW the 2nd coming had not taken place...He certainly would have been preaching a different message had he believed that...

I suspect part of the trouble is your bad cut and paste job on my comments. I never said the Second Coming has already taken place. I said this:

“For He must reign” – in Paul’s mind this was a present, not future reality.
I said that the first resurrection (i.e., Christ's resurrection) has already taken place, and that Christ is presently reigning over the nations bringing them into subjection.

Christ has been raised from the dead. Thus the phrase, “Christ, the firstfruits.” Our resurrection is still in the future, “those who are Christ's at His coming.” All believers from all time are raised to newness of life at the Second Coming. “Then comes the end.” Not, “then there is a thousands years of quasi-peace with Jesus reigning in Jerusalem and then comes the end.” “The end” means the end when He delivers “the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.”

The rest of your comments are all based on your faulty reading of what I wrote, so I'll let them slide.

233 posted on 03/02/2009 3:18:53 PM PST by topcat54
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