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To: xjcsa

Calm down. I think you are reading something into my post that I did not intend. I have not put a date on the Lord’s return at all. I didn’t even say it was close. All I did was to quote the writer of 1 John who said “it is the last days”. I wonder what kind of historical and spiritual perspective he had. BTW- do the words “For you know quite well that the day of the Lord will come in the same way as a thief in the night.” have any meaning for you?


15 posted on 02/24/2009 2:21:26 PM PST by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: D_Idaho
Calm down. I think you are reading something into my post that I did not intend. I have not put a date on the Lord’s return at all. I didn’t even say it was close. All I did was to quote the writer of 1 John who said “it is the last days”.

True, but all I did was point out that he was writing to his contemporaries, not directly to us. It seems to me that the interpretation that does the least violence to the text is to take it at face value - they were indeed in the last days before the destruction of Jerusalem. By the way, I am aware that many scholars date those epistles and the Revelation rather late; I happen to disagree with them. There is ample and convincing evidence to place their writing in the 63-66 AD range.

I wonder what kind of historical and spiritual perspective he had

I think his perspective was the same as the tone of the whole New Testament: they were on the verge of something big, something catastrophic, something that would change the world forever. That something was the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, the permanent end of sacrifices in the Temple, and the permanent end of Temple-based Judaism. In other words, the end of the Old Covenant - the "old Heaven and old Earth" - to make way for the New Covenant - the "New Heaven and New Earth."

“For you know quite well that the day of the Lord will come in the same way as a thief in the night.” have any meaning for you?

Yes, but I think it had more meaning for those who were there to witness it.

These are my opinions; I respect those of others - I used to be a futurist myself. Hopefully I don't come across as disrespectful or mean; I think robust discussion is a healthy thing.

16 posted on 02/24/2009 3:12:49 PM PST by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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