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To: PetroniusMaximus; topcat54; mbeeber
Just read Romans 9, 10 & 11.

Actually this supports my contention, that the dispensational axiom drives the interpretation.

You see 2 peoples. I see one olive tree, one root, from which Israel-according-to-the-flesh is cut off, and to which we are grafted in.

They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises.

(Paul didn't mention the land. Curious, that.)

5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,
7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.”
8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

"Jewish DNA" will be of no value to them. Outside of Christ, outside of his church, they are lost. Anyone who gives them hope outside of that, will have to give account.
For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility
15 by abolishing the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near.
18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

130 posted on 02/23/2009 8:23:26 PM PST by Lee N. Field (And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.)
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To: Lee N. Field; PetroniusMaximus; mbeeber
You see 2 peoples. I see one olive tree, one root, from which Israel-according-to-the-flesh is cut off, and to which we are grafted in.

This could not be more clear in all of the NT.

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. 19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. (Eph. 2)
One new man. One household of God. One dwelling place. One foundation. Salvation by race is nowhere taught in Scripture. In order to deny this truth, you must come at the text with the preconceived notions of Israel vs. the Church ala dispensationalism.
135 posted on 02/24/2009 6:59:25 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: Lee N. Field; topcat54; mbeeber

“Actually this supports my contention, that the dispensational axiom drives the interpretation.”

I owe you a response on this - I haven’t forgotten.


142 posted on 02/25/2009 9:04:51 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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