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To: GonzoII

And that is the problem. Christ says that we are to do it as a Memorial. He says nothing about doing it repeatedly as even a Part of a sacrifice.

The verbage may change, but what you are admitting is (and some right here on FR has said as much) that it is an act of sacrifice (sacrament) every time it is celebrated. Thus the reason it is called a Sacrament, and the reason it can be “withheld” like other of the big list (7) of sacraments - as practically a punishment.

The treat used today (that has seldom been carried out) by the Church to withhold the sacraments from politicians who support abortion is just a reflection of the “sacraments” being used as a weapon to get their way in the church back in the mid-2nd century forward.

Of course, this leaves out the very clear Biblical command that the partaking of the Lord’s Supper is left to the judgment of the one partaking - thus the admonition against those taking it unworthily - they drink unto themselves condemnation.

Time after time, legalism and reliance on anything beyond faith in Jesus Christ is condemned by Paul and others (including Christ Himself). Yet through “tradition”, the church has developed a set of 7 tools to control and manipulate people, and to grant itself special powers to withhold God’s grace. From the concept of a priest to present or conduct so many of these sacramental acts, to so many other non-Biblical teachings, the Church has developed by tradition and man’s words, what Christ has exclusive authority over.

Even with so much church history filtered through Catholic sources (so many records that conflict with the Catholic view of history have been destroyed or suppressed), an open-eyed study of the history of Christianity is eye-opening.

Just as with any source of info - pay attention to the source. Even Bibles have fallen into the hands of translators with a bias (thus the gender-neutral translations for one). History books are exactly the same - one from a distinctly Catholic view will be far different from one with a distinctly Methodist, Baptist, or whatever view.

Want an ultra-Baptist source for church history - check out The Trail of Blood. But while I am Baptist, I find that work to be stretching a great deal to promote a view that I don’t believe is completely “pure”.

But the point is - as we read in 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

The love of God, demonstrated through the perfect life, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is sufficient. We don’t need an earthly “priest” to bestow God’s Grace upon us, and we certainly do not and cannot earn or buy it - God’s Grace is a a free gift (Romans 5:15).


18 posted on 02/01/2009 6:08:02 AM PST by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: TheBattman
He says nothing about doing it repeatedly as even a Part of a sacrifice.

Better brush up on your reading of St. Paul's epistles before you try and pass yourself off as an authority on Scripture, again.

"And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is My body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of Me. In like manner also the chalice, after He had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in My blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of Me. For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew(that means proclaim for those of you who were educated in an outcome based curriculum) the death of the Lord, until He come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. Therefore are there many inform and weak among you, and many sleep." 1 Corinthians 11:24-30

24 posted on 02/01/2009 5:24:16 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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