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To: Zionist Conspirator
Assigning Israel the role of the "enemies of G-d" is to essentially make of Israel what 'Edom/`Alaleq had always been in Judaism. It simply reeks of "let's come up with an excuse to start a new religion."

No, it is to follow the words of scripture. Let us look at the texts you have been trying to twist into supporting that God is making people sin.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

The blind Jews, not being in the remnant that have accepted the Church, are enemies. They are enemies towards the Church, which is Christ. But, they are beloved as regards God's promises to their fathers. Of course God keeps his promises, even though they don't. However, he will not save those who are obstinate in their rejection of him, regardless of who their fathers are. This we know from the same texts.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again...

If they abide not still in unbelief then, and only then, shall they be grafted in. God is able to do this, as we know, but it depends on their belief. And notice that it doesn't say that God makes them not believe. He is severe to them that fell, and they did fall. They were not thrown over by God.

178 posted on 01/31/2009 9:16:19 PM PST by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: cothrige
The blind Jews, not being in the remnant that have accepted the Church, are enemies. They are enemies towards the Church, which is Christ.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Well I can't help but chime in here as well...Do you have any clue as to why Israel is called the enemy (only concerning the gospel) FOR YOUR SAKES???

They are enemies of the gospel for our sakes...They are not you enemies, nor enemies of the church...

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

180 posted on 02/01/2009 1:28:19 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: cothrige
No, it is to follow the words of scripture.

Unfortunately, you're missing the point.

You're assuming the "new testament" to be "scripture." The point I'm making is that by reversing the role of the Jewish People in the cosmos the "new testament" (in light of previous Revelation) comes across as an imposture.

The moslems follow "scripture" too, you know.

181 posted on 02/01/2009 7:38:31 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Ashirah leHaShem ki ga'oh ga'ah, sus verokhevo ramah vayam!)
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