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To: Iscool
Nope...You're wrong...Jesus blinded the eyes and minds of Israel til the fullness of the Gentiles takes place...

I have always despised the art of prooftexting and lifting one word over and against the next. It is ugly.

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Just where do we see God making people blind here? Are you reading some other text that I am? Blindness "is happened" to part of Israel. (Some still see, and Paul is evidence of this as he has accepted Christ.) Even a cursory reading will show that this blindness is not celebrated, excused or approved, and neither is it suggested that God has made them so. It is only said that only after the Gospel is spread over the entire globe will Israel finally repent. You take the description of what is happening and somehow twist it to mean that the Lord himself has made it so. Ridiculous. Blindness is a sin and blaming God for sin is to just add blasphemy to it.

177 posted on 01/31/2009 9:07:41 PM PST by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: cothrige
I have always despised the art of prooftexting and lifting one word over and against the next. It is ugly.

Blindness "is happened" to part of Israel. (Some still see, and Paul is evidence of this as he has accepted Christ.)

Typical bible perverter...You don't like what it says so you change a word here or a phrase there to suit your theology...Try expounding on the verse as it's written...

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

The verse DOES NOT SAY, blindness happened to part of Israel...

You know what's uglier??? Someone taking a word here and a word there to prove something that ain't so and completely destroying the understanding the scripture...

Even a cursory reading will show that this blindness is not celebrated, excused or approved, and neither is it suggested that God has made them so.

You take the description of what is happening and somehow twist it to mean that the Lord himself has made it so. Ridiculous. Blindness is a sin and blaming God for sin is to just add blasphemy to it.

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

There you go...And in other scriptures, God talks about blinding others as well...

It is only said that only after the Gospel is spread over the entire globe will Israel finally repent.

Are you just making this stuff up??? Have you ever read Romans 11???

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

When it says they were all in unbelief, it means they were ALL in unbelief...

179 posted on 02/01/2009 12:58:23 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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