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To: allmendream; betty boop; All
If you are actually interested in conveying a “message” to those able to understand it, it would behoove you to become more knowledgeable about the subject and clean up your language as the things you say make no sense to someone who understands the subject.

Conversely, it would behoove you to read Shannon's Mathematical Theory of Communication.

Or to sum it up:

Information is the reduction of uncertainty (Shannon entropy) in the receiver (or molecular machine) as it goes from a before state to an after state.

It is the action of successful communication not any particular element of it.

For instance, it is not the message. It doesn't matter whether the message is DNA, RNA, Hamlet, this reply, etc.

Nor is it the language, though the sender (encoding) and receiver (decoding) should speak the same language (semiosis) for the communication to be successful. It does no good to send a letter in Spanish to someone who only understands Greek. In our little sidebar, I am speaking in one language and you are speaking in another. But I'd wager the Lurkers on the Religion Forum are more apt to successfully receive what I have been broadcasting.

"Broadcast" brings up another element of Shannon's model that the Religion Forum Lurkers would find interesting. A successful communication is autonomous between sender and receiver. "Noise" in the model can also be a broadcast message from an external sender, e.g. God speaking creatures into being.

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. - Genesis 1:20

Nor is it the channel. The math is the same whether the communication is over the airways, land lines, electronics or a molecular machine.

Personally, I see the unreasonable effectiveness of math as God's copyright notice on the cosmos.

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard.– Psalms 19:1-3

To God be the glory!

75 posted on 01/27/2009 10:43:20 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Indeed to God be the glory.

To say that a protein doesn't convey a message is to betray ignorance of signal transduction pathways of proteins.

Proteins are both the product of information from DNA, and the result of information conveyed to DNA by protein, and is capable of receiving and transmitting information as well.

82 posted on 01/27/2009 10:53:23 AM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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