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To: betty boop; CottShop; TXnMA; hosepipe; metmom; GodGunsGuts
Thank you both so very much for this fascinating sidebar and your beautiful essays!

Truly, error correction is a hallmark of good coding and redundancy is often used for speedy recovery in vital systems. Cyclic redundancy checks are often used to assure error-free data streams. These of course require an intelligent designer. And notably, we observe similar solutions in biological systems.

I find it particularly compelling that the biological versions of error correction and redundancy have been around since virtually the beginning of life in nature - whereas man had not yet discovered them (or invented them, if one is an Aristotlean) until the late 1960's.

On the predestination v. free will issue, I would only point out that it need not be an either/or situation. Scriptures include prophecy (predestination) and commandments (free will) - and show prophecies fulfilled and commandments obeyed and disobeyed with consequences.

For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. – Isaiah 55:8-9

To God be the glory!

712 posted on 02/12/2009 10:29:08 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

[[redundancy is often used for speedy recovery in vital systems.]]

Which was another aspect I was goign to noodle over today- but perhaps tomorrow now

[[Scriptures include prophecy (predestination) and commandments (free will) - and show prophecies fulfilled and commandments obeyed and disobeyed with consequences.]]

I think htough this can be argued both ways still. I don’t take a final stand on predestinaiton, but it is somethign I’ve familiarized myself with a little, as some churches are big on preachign it, while others stress free will- I think if I were to label myself religion wise, it woudl be Baptist first, and with some Calvanism to boot, which is why the subject interests me- but again, not goign to hitch my wagon to either really as it’s simply a hteological issue (which might have pretty serious implications about hte reality of Salvation/non salvation though, but whether free will, or directed,, the most important hting is that eternity is secured for me and my family, and that’s enough for me- other realities are just interests to me really)


713 posted on 02/12/2009 10:53:11 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Have you by any chance read that book I linked to? Here’s some snippits that really got to me when I first read it:

“Behold therefore the goodness and the severity of God” Rom. 11:22.

In the last chapter when treating of the Sovereignty of God the Father in Salvation, we examined seven passages which represent him as making a choice from among the children of men, and predestinating certain ones to be conformed to the image of his Son. The thoughtful reader will naturally ask, And what of those who were not “ordained to eternal life?” The answer which is usually returned to this question, even by those who profess to believe what the Scriptures teach concerning God’s sovereignty, is, that God passes by the non-elect, leaves them alone to go their own way, and in the end casts them into the Lake of Fire because they refused his way, and rejected the Saviour of his providing. But this is only a part of the truth; the other part — that which is most offensive to the carnal mind — is either ignored or denied.

Stating it in its baldest form the point now to be considered is, has God foreordained certain ones to damnation?...”

And it goes on to make the case I never imagined possible & which really kinda shook me. Here’s the link to that passage at least if oyu wanna take a look-see as to what he has to say: http://www.sovereign-grace.com/pink/chapter05.htm


714 posted on 02/12/2009 10:58:43 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; CottShop; TXnMA; metmom; GodGunsGuts
[ Truly, error correction is a hallmark of good coding and redundancy is often used for speedy recovery in vital systems. Cyclic redundancy checks are often used to assure error-free data streams. These of course require an intelligent designer. And notably, we observe similar solutions in biological systems. ]

As a manager of coders and other types of intelligent designers for many years.. I learned that proper planning looked for redundancy and variations of redundancy that is in all systems.. Intelligent System design is almost completely a matter of recognizing redundancy.. and dealing with it creatively.. Jealous management of things that happen over and over was very important when 50,000 bytes of Ram memory was a lot, much less than that was usually the rule..

I appreciated then, and do now that God does not make Bluebirds.. he made Bluebirds that make Bluebirds... The logic of that is incredibly creative and efficient.. The sub-routine of life.. There is a talent to recognizing redundancy.. and another different talent to dealing with it as "an asset".. not "a liability"..

716 posted on 02/13/2009 4:25:16 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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