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To: spirited irish; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ As we gaze upon the wreckage of America, we can see not only the immorality and subsequent chaos produced by gnosticism, but also its’ deadly outworkings upon the family,church, procreation, etc. America is a regime of gnostic-heresy. ]

WRONG.. the wreckage is because of socialism not gnostism..
Jesus never used the word or even the meme of heresy..
Heresy is a mental construct of the Sheep Pens..(John ch 10)..

Socialism murdered several hundred million people in the last hundred years..
and made billions more.... miserable..

For the next few years the socialists may be targeting BILLIONS to liquidate..
Because they are "warming" the earth..

Some people "think" non Roman Catholics are gnostics..
And others "think" all non orthodox are gnostics..
You know..... so-called "protestants"..

668 posted on 02/09/2009 7:30:44 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe; spirited irish; betty boop; GodGunsGuts; TXnMA; YHAOS; CottShop; marron; metmom; djf
Thank you both so very much for sharing your insights on gnosticism and heresy!

Truly I hope the dispute is just a matter of semantics.

The sheep pens in John 10 are indeed an excellent metaphor for the theological boundaries of Judeo/Christian doctrines and traditions.

And of course, the more people add to and take away from the words of God - or the more they elevate particulars of their beliefs - the more walls they throw up between themselves, like sheep pens within sheep pens:

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. – Deuteronomy 4:2

And the sheep in these various pens do tend to yell over the fences calling the sheep in the other pens - or in the open pasture - names including both "heretic" and "gnostic."

Since I'm one of those who particularly enjoys the open pasture (Psalms 23) I've been called both - also "apostate" "Jesus freak" "cultist" and even "Satanic."

It never offends me to be called such things. I write it off as yet another manifestation of the "observer problem." Indeed for me it is all joy even though it comes from a brother or sister in the faith, a fellow sheep.

Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. - Matthew 5:11-12

There is only One Good Shepherd.

And I pray that on this sidebar, there is no intent to invoke the terms "gnostic" and "heresy" within the various sheep pens of the Judeo and Christian sheepfolds - but rather in the historical and cultural context of Western civilization.

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

673 posted on 02/09/2009 8:33:20 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

hosepipe said, “WRONG.. the wreckage is because of socialism not gnostism..
Jesus never used the word or even the meme of heresy..
Heresy is a mental construct of the Sheep Pens..(John ch 10)..

Spirited: Paul tells us that ultimately, there are but two spiritual foundations on which every religion throughout time and around the world are based. He describes these two foundations like this, “Either you will worship and serve creation, or you will worship and serve the living Creator of creation.

The latter is of course, the worldview foundation on which Christendom and later on America were based. The former is monism, which like a coin has two sides: materialism and pantheism. On that foundation rest all ‘pagan-monist’ worldview systems and their subsequent civilizations.

One of the most fundamental answers supplied by worldview is to the question: “What is man?” Depending on the answer, there will arise a moral, cultural, and socio-economic system.

As we look around our world we can’t help but notice the utter misery under which very large numbers of people live in animist-pantheist civilizations, like India, for example. Symbolically, India’s civilization is pyramid shaped with the smallest, highest caste at the top and in descending order,the lowest, largest castes occupying perhaps the lower half or more. This dreadful system exists because the pantheist view of man is so debased.

Socialism-communism is in reality, a pyramid shaped cultural, socio-economic system based on an equally—if not more so— debased view of man-—a neo-pagan/gnostic view of man.

On an ideological level we say the wreckage is because of socialism. But at the deepest level of meaning, the cause of the wreckage is spiritual-—spiritual disease. And the descriptive word used to describe and categorize this spiritual disease is gnosticism.


681 posted on 02/09/2009 9:58:46 AM PST by spirited irish
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