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To: CottShop; betty boop; hosepipe; GodGunsGuts; metmom; TXnMA
This is al lwell and good, but once this low level informaiton arises- He is not going to be able to demonstrate higher level metainformation arising in the clay- he can’t.

Precisely so. But he is not concerning himself with such things - he is merely trying to demonstrate that a particular abiogenesis story is feasible. No doubt "true believers" will extrapolate from such a success (if it happens) that ipso facto all the other stories (e.g. complexification) are therefore also feasible. But they were already "tree believers" anyway.

Nevertheless, we know that even though a particular event may have been feasible it doesn't mean that it actually happened. For Elizabeth Taylor to have forsaken her beauty, wealth and career and have fallen in love with hosepipe may have been feasible, but it didn't happen. Isn't that right, hosepipe?

The big question is whether others would be influenced by the true believer's "spin" on whatever he accomplishes (if he does.)

Like Wimmer, he begins with a message albeit a tiny fragment. So he stacks the deck in his favor. I find his work interesting but not illuminating and nowhere near as significant as Crick/Watson or Wimmer.

As they say, the proof is in the pudding - or in his case, the montmorillonite clay. For if the phenomenon was widespread enough in montmorillonite clay in a prebiotic world to bootstrap life from non-life in sufficient numbers to account for what we see in the time frame involved - it should be there still today.

Even so, as you suggest, he doesn't lay a glove on inversely causal information (successful communication) in biological life - or temporal non-locality (as I prefer to call the phenomenon.)

For newly arriving lurkers, the term refers to the organism becoming informed of something that hasn't happened yet, e.g. the need to do maintenance or repair.

599 posted on 02/07/2009 10:10:21 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; Ann Coulter; betty boop
[ For Elizabeth Taylor to have forsaken her beauty, wealth and career and have fallen in love with hosepipe may have been feasible, but it didn't happen. Isn't that right, hosepipe? ]

LoL... True.. its true Taylor when young was serious eye candy.. If she would have shown me the slightest attention it would have scared me to death.. I fantasize about Ann Coulter(I'm a sinner) these days.. but living with her would/could be a kind of HELL.. God forbid you make her mad.. She would verbally slice and dice you.. and worse tell you the truth..

600 posted on 02/07/2009 10:22:21 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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