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To: Alamo-Girl
No protein contains a message, if by “message” you mean RNA or DNA. It is a distinction that doesn't make anything distinct.

The “message” of an ingested prion protein is to “tell” a native prion protein to misfold. It is not “noise” so much as it is a molecular trap that other prion proteins can fall into, thus luring even more into the “trap” of being a misfolded mess.

Prions HAVE a message, and an essential function, when they are folded correctly. They are part of the message, made of the same “stuff” (that stuff being an amino acid chain coded for by a messenger RNA transcribed from DNA). It is only when the information is “garbled” by misfolding, and able to “garble” by misfolding other prion proteins that leads to the pathology.

As I said. What you wrote made absolutely no sense in the way you wrote it, betrayed a deep ignorance of molecular biology and no actual knowledge of prions, and would make no sense to anybody who possesses this knowledge.

Luckily in your case I don't think your “target audience” is either in possession of this knowledge or desires to know anything about Molecular Biology; and they will be well served by reading what you wrote, as it will not actually increase their knowledge of Molecular Biology.

54 posted on 01/27/2009 9:12:32 AM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream; betty boop
No protein contains a message, if by “message” you mean RNA or DNA. It is a distinction that doesn't make anything distinct.

Truly, that is the point if one is focusing on the information theory.

Proteins do not contain messages. Amino acids do not contain messages - hence the Urey/Miller experiments made no further progress whereas the Wimmer experiment did.

If one is focusing on the molecular biology, the observation that prions have no message is moot.

Both in the above article and in our book, Timothy - the spotlight is on "information theory and molecular biology" as an integrated whole.

57 posted on 01/27/2009 9:25:45 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: allmendream

Hey allmen- how about just sticking to your case instead of launching every comment you make into an attack? You’ve brought up several important points, however, your insults are not called for-

The ‘informaiton’ or message can, by itself, do nothing- it needs catylysts, and it needs a controlling mechanism to ensure that when it ‘does it’s job’ when instructed to do so, that it won’t end in noise, but in a process it was designed to end in.

The message itself is useless, and can NOT brign about hte changes that are required for macroevolution. IF al lwe had were messages that had no instucting, controlling, directing metainfo workign behind hte scences- there woudl be chaos as the ‘message’ would NOT know how it’s own unique effects would affect the whole system. Thati s hte point BB is making.


85 posted on 01/27/2009 10:56:49 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: allmendream; js1138; betty boop; metmom

What supreme irony that the very next post, (#55 at the end) explains why allmendream (in #54) is incapable of understanding what he reads, and as such attacks that which he doesn’t understand, with, you guessed it...”makes no sense”.

Of course it doesn’t make sense to a materialist.


118 posted on 01/27/2009 11:39:09 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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