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To: js1138; Alamo-Girl
A code is an instance of foreknowledge.
I'm not sure I understand you here. Are you saying that a code can predict the future?

In some way other than incorporating rules for dealing with regular or recurrent phenomena?

As Alamo-Girl pointed out, a code cannot exist without assignment of the symbol set, in advance, based on convention, which requires the foreknowledge of the sender and the receiver. By "foreknowledge" I do not mean that all senders and receivers are intelligent and sentient, but simply understanding that where they are not, the foreknowledge resides in the intelligent coder of the information. But further, to the extent that coded information represents an idea or a plan, then yes, a code itself is an instance of foreknowledge. When you were one cell your DNA code contained the instructions for building your entire body plan before it ever developed. The color of your hair was specified in advance before you ever had a strand of it.

Cordially,

470 posted on 01/30/2009 12:31:41 PM PST by Diamond
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To: Diamond
As Alamo-Girl pointed out, a code cannot exist without assignment of the symbol set, in advance, based on convention, which requires the foreknowledge of the sender and the receiver.

this may be true is some idealized world, but chemistry includes all kinds of possibilities for evolving codes and code readers without outside intervention. I have no problem if you push the source of the code back to the designer of chemistry, but I think you are going to be disappointed if you think natural processes cannot evolve life.

471 posted on 01/30/2009 12:40:30 PM PST by js1138
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To: Diamond
When you were one cell your DNA code contained the instructions for building your entire body plan before it ever developed. The color of your hair was specified in advance before you ever had a strand of it.

Obviously the coded didn't start out this complex, but since we have no videotape of the steps by which the code originated, we will just have to see if we can recreate undirected chemical evolution. It isn't likely to produce identical results, but it might just be interesting.

At any rate, the game is beyond pure theory and is in the hands of chemists. A few years ago there were few young people willing to risk their careers on this area of research, but it is heating up.

472 posted on 01/30/2009 12:52:08 PM PST by js1138
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To: Diamond; js1138; betty boop; CottShop
But further, to the extent that coded information represents an idea or a plan, then yes, a code itself is an instance of foreknowledge.

Indeed, if not actually knowing then at least anticipating a future event or need.

Either way it indicates awareness.

Thank you oh so very much for all your insights, dear Diamond!

475 posted on 01/30/2009 1:01:06 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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