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To: TXnMA
js1138 and Coyoteman are wrong. There is zero conflict between my practice of science as a professional and my sure knowledge that I have a personal relationship with the One Who designed, specified, and created the physical, chemical, and biological materials and phenomena that I study.

Thanks for the ping. As for Coyoteman, I don't think you need bother pinging him anymore.

I don't recall ever saying there is a conflict between science and faith, although there can be a conflict between science and specific assertions about physical reality made by people in the name of religion. I'm curious why I was included in such a sweeping statement.

Is your "sure knowledge" in conflict with some specific finding of science?

375 posted on 01/29/2009 10:10:10 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
"Is your "sure knowledge" in conflict with some specific finding of science? "

Not in the least. My "sure knowledge" falls in domains that are not (and should not be, IMHO) addressed by scientific inquiry and explanation -- such as my confidence that my Creator exists, and in my relationship with Him.

If there is a near-overlap, it is at the point where science (so far) "poops out": at the point of explaining what happened to start this whole universe, and in accepting that truths like PV=nRT appear to have been established to make things progress as planned by the One who claims to have started it all.

Because I understand, accept and apply relativity, I have zero problem accepting the accumulating evidence for a universe age that is probably in the vicinity of that which you perceive: ca 13 billion years +.

Although I have the acadmic requirements for BS in biology, I am no particular fan of Darwin. I simply accept his work -- and that built upon it by his successors -- as our best (but still flawed) explanation to date of how life here on Earth reached its present state. I am not on a mission to "prove" anything. The fact that I see that progression as following the Creator's plan does not color my investigations -- because I view myself as being - like all good scientists -- on a continual journey of discovery.

In cosmology, I have the same questions as many of our colleagues: what is that "dark matter/energy" stuff? And how did we miss such a large portion of our universe for so long? And...what else have our observations missed?

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BTW, it was your two statements to A-G re "verification" that I viewed as expressing a dichotomy: verifiability of science results versus non-verifiability of spiritual truths. My point was that -- if you use the same methodology that the reporting observer used, both are equally verifiable.

I do not mix my science with my religion. The closest I come to doing so is the continual sense of enjoyment and awe I feel as I make ever-newer discoveries of the beauty and majesty of what I believe to be His handiwork. No matter whether I am at the controls of the SEM or am adjusting the alt-azimuth of the telescope, that thrill of discovery makes scientific investigation just plain fun! In addition, the thrill of praise I feel for each revelation of His masterful work simply adds to my enjoyment of life... Science without religion would be, to me, far less enjoyable!

Such a deal: double joy -- while improving our understanding of our universe!

393 posted on 01/29/2009 11:23:59 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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