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To: js1138; betty boop; hosepipe; GodGunsGuts; CottShop
I could swear that the central theme of the thread is abiogenesis and not ongoing evolution.

I was speaking of my post, my claim - not the theme of the thread.

So it is important to discuss what is possible and to discover through research what is possible.

Absolutely. This - plus whatever has been captured in the historical record - is all the investigator has to work with.

Consider, for example, a forensic investigation. If I find your fingerprints at a crime scene, and I have a witness saying you were there, and I find proceeds from the crime in your possession, you are all but convicted. Unless you have equally convincing evidence that you were somewhere else at the time.

Indeed. For instance, YEC posters believe their evidence is much more convincing.

As you know, I freely disclose that the most certain knowledge I possess does not come from sensory perception or reasoning but from the revelations of God in (a) the Person of Jesus Christ, (b) the Person of the Holy Spirit, (c) Scripture and (d) Creation both physical and spiritual.


310 posted on 01/28/2009 9:45:39 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
As you know, I freely disclose that the most certain knowledge I possess does not come from sensory perception or reasoning but from the revelations of God in (a) the Person of Jesus Christ, (b) the Person of the Holy Spirit, (c) Scripture and (d) Creation both physical and spiritual.

Such claims pretty much shut down discussion. Is that your goal?

315 posted on 01/28/2009 9:55:55 AM PST by js1138
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To: Alamo-Girl
Indeed. For instance, YEC posters believe their evidence is much more convincing.

I haven't seen a coherent statement of physical history to which all YECs would subscribe. I'm not talking about trivial details. I'm talking about rather large scale phenomena, such as the length of the day intended by Genesis writers, whether the individuals take on the Ark by Noah represented species or families of creatures, whether diseases were specially created or the result of devolution. In short, I see no creationist theory that explains the range of phenomena accounted for by mainstream science.

316 posted on 01/28/2009 10:01:21 AM PST by js1138
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To: Alamo-Girl
As you know, I freely disclose that the most certain knowledge I possess does not come from sensory perception or reasoning but from the revelations of God in (a) the Person of Jesus Christ, (b) the Person of the Holy Spirit, (c) Scripture and (d) Creation both physical and spiritual.

If that is the case you have no business attempting to do science, or even commenting on science.

What you are in fact practicing is the exact opposite of science.

345 posted on 01/28/2009 2:47:52 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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