[[I usually put it this way: that order cannot rise out of chaos in an unguided physical system. Period.]]
This is the central point that I was trying to make too- The following is a perfect example of why EVERYTHING (Even the cell containers, and the chemicals and biology that go into the building blocks of the container, and hte nutrients that flow to the cell, and hte membrane etc etc etc all need higher infor controlling every aspect of it’s creation, organization, maintanance, etc to keep it as distant from entropy as possible) needs to be ordered by a system of higher info- otherwise chaos will ensue, and a compelte breakdown will occure- IF we try to ‘create’ such systems of complexity using nothign but stepwise change, the system fails because htere are no higher orders of infromaiton controlling and directing every aspect of our systems. Any change that might occure woudl be met with confusion, one part not ‘knowing’ what to do with hte new change, and this change not being able to link to all the aspects of hte system it needs to intelligently link to in order to maintain fitness for the system.
[[The eukaryotic cell, for example, is made of various biochemical components such as nucleic acids and proteins, and is organized into bounded structures such as the cell nucleus, various organelles, a cell membrane and cytoskeleton. These structures, based on an external flow of molecules and energy, produce the components which, in turn, continue to maintain the organized bounded structure that gives rise to these components.]]
[[There are always guides to the system. Even at the lowest level, space/time and physical laws are guides to the system.]]
Yup- while there are ‘bounding guidlines’ which can bring a sense of order, this order is at such a low level of complexity that it can’t possibly hope to organize every aspect of essential coordination needed for life- there HAS to be higher guides- higher info, higher metainfo conducting every move and change and result
[[(anticipating, foreknowing or being aware of the need for maintenance and repair)]]
You simply can’t get this ‘self awareness’ from building models using pure chemical bonds, nor can it be gained from an outside influence as Demski seems to be suggesting it can. This ‘self-awarenesss’ is a built in biologically ingrained design that certainly can’t be gained by natural comunication from nature like Demski thinks it can somehow be.
Good post Alamo- these are the key points being made in the article- and somethign that I’ve said before that I think is far more important than Behe’s more simplistic single incidents of IC