[[” Information is further defined by its independence from physical determination:
Information doesn’t exist independent of the physcal machinery that gives rise to it,]]
That’s not what is being stated- it is beign stated that info exists independent of outside determinations- it exists without being acted upon
[[”The failure of purely physical theories to describe or explain information reflects Shannon’s concept of entropy and his measure of ‘news.”
Physical theory covers the required underly pohysics of the machinery that makes possible any and every instance of information. Without the underlying physics, there can be no information.]]
Again, it is NOT the contqianment issue the statements refer to- the containment doesn’t act upon the information- it simply contains it- it takes outside infromaiton acting upon contained info to activate that info- Nature can not explain how either info can arise however, and htis is the cenrtral issue- not whether there needs to be a containment or not.
[[All that’s needed to know and understand Biology is contained in the underlying physics.]]
That’s a fien and noble undertaking, but it doesn’t explain how info can arise- especially hte metainfo being discussed.
"That’s not what is being stated- it is beign stated that info exists independent of outside determinations- it exists without being acted upon"
As I said, reality can't be defined out of reality. Also, "being acted upon" is irrelevant. An underlying physical reality is required in order for any and every instance of information to exist. If any information exists, it exists as an instance of configuraiton in an underlying physics.
"the containment doesn’t act upon the information- it simply contains it- it takes outside infromaiton acting upon contained info to activate that info- Nature can not explain how either info can arise however, and htis is the cenrtral issue- not whether there needs to be a containment or not."
Information is not contained in the underlying physics. The underlying physics give rise to it as a real instance of information. THe underlying physics is not simply a box that contains info; the info is properties of the physical configuration.
Re: All that’s needed to know and understand Biology is contained in the underlying physics.
" That’s a fien and noble undertaking, but it doesn’t explain how info can arise- especially hte metainfo being discussed.
Information is the configuration of some underlying physics. Reality has no need for anything contained in the concept of meta-info. The concept of meta -info is purely a creation of mind which is an instance of circular logic. It says that the properties of an assembly, or configuration in an underlying physics must require more physics than what's contained in the physics it arises from. Science has never found that more physics is required to know and understand any assembly, or configuration than the physics required to know and understand any of the constituent parts, or configurations.