The AP Model and Shannon Theory Show the Incompleteness of Darwin’s ToE

self | January 26, 2009 | Jean F. Drew

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear CottShop!

It does however seem odd that a species which lives a very long time, woudl then ‘feel the need’ to evolve programmed cell death to such a drastic shortneing of life. If nothign but propogation of the species’ is what drives species ‘evolving’. then it woudl seem that something that is more optimimum, somethign that lives a very very long time, would be quite fit, and htus ‘wish’ to pass along it’s gene code for as long as possible instead of ‘feeling the need’ to evolve programmed cell death

That puzzles me, too.

The struggle to survive is reasonable in lower organisms, altruism is not.

[inpajamas]

"It does however seem odd that a species which lives a very long time, woudl then ‘feel the need’ to evolve programmed cell death to such a drastic shortneing of life. If nothign but propogation of the species’ is what drives species ‘evolving’. then it woudl seem that something that is more optimimum, somethign that lives a very very long time, would be quite fit, and htus ‘wish’ to pass along it’s gene code for as long as possible instead of ‘feeling the need’ to evolve programmed cell death" Not odd at all, it happened after they started getting married. s/

[Alamo-Girl]

LOLOL!

[CottShop]

[[Not odd at all, it happened after they started getting married. s/]]

Lol- Doh- didn’t think about that :)

[lakey]

Due to exhaustion, last night was my first good night’s rest since I received your books. Night before I was up at 1:30 a.m. - back to bed at 5 a.m.!

[js1138]

Truly, without physical death, there could be no continuity of life. For one thing, if procreation were not curtailed, the earth would soon be overpopulated and the eventual result would be -- death...

Populations of microorganisms are curtailed, but the ones that are alive at the moment have been continuously alive since the first of their kind. They can die of statvation, dehydration or such, but they do not wear out.

[CottShop]

[[ They can die of statvation, dehydration or such, but they do not wear out.]]

Actually, from what I read, they do wear out but are able to replace necessary maintanance and repair systems that were worn out. I guess you’re ignoring my posts, as I asked for links to these experiments, but whatever- from what little I found, it isn’t true that they are not susceptible to entropy, but rather that they are endowed with the ability to replce worn out systems and parts.

[TXnMA]

"Populations of microorganisms are curtailed, but..."

You write nonsense.

How is their population "curtailed" -- by turning them into dill pickles? No. They die.

[js1138]

Some die. but the ones that are currently alive have been continuously alive as long as their kind has existed.

They can starve, be burned, crushed or dehydrated, but they dot no die due to entropy or wearing out.

[TXnMA]

My B.S. minor was biology. I built my own microscope when I was ten. I understand mitosis.

The important question is: "What (or Who) is in control of "curtailing" their population size?"

[CottShop]

[[They can starve, be burned, crushed or dehydrated, but they dot no die due to entropy or wearing out.]]

Science doesn’t know that they don’t- They know they live al ong time, but not that they are eternal (the ones ‘lucky’ enough to avoid being starved, crushed burned etc) They used to htink they were eternal, but the sentiment is changing as far as I have found- if oyu have a link stating otherwise, please post it here

[js1138]

"What (or Who) is in control of "curtailing" their population size?"

I'm sure you can do the math. What happens when you have a population of individuals the replicate every thiry minutes (or 30 days, for that matter)?

[CottShop]

Can you suggest what to look for on google about this issue?

Not sure what was said, or why you are ignoring my posts- but if you could at least point me in right direction- I’m not even sure what to type in for search criteria on this.

[Alamo-Girl]

Oh my goodness, dear sister in Christ! I'm so grateful that you are enjoying the books, but please do take care of yourself.

[Alamo-Girl]

The important question is: "What (or Who) is in control of "curtailing" their population size?"

Indeed. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

[js1138]

Can you suggest what to look for on google about this issue?

What issue are you referring to?

[Diamond]

Some die. but the ones that are currently alive have been continuously alive as long as their kind has existed.

Maybe it's just a paradox of language, but when a 'parent' amoeba divides into two smaller copies of itself, doesn't the original amoeba cease to exist as such? The clones are genetic copies identical to the original, but are not themselves the original.

Cordially,

[js1138]

Maybe it's just a paradox of language, but when a 'parent' amoeba divides into two smaller copies of itself, doesn't the original amoeba cease to exist as such? The clones are genetic copies identical to the original, but are not themselves the original.

I would consider it an artifact of language, but it is irrelevant to the point I'm making.

My point is that a typical bacterium has participated in about 100 million replications (in the past 6000 years!) without degrading into a puddle of entropic goo. If anything, single celled organisms are as robust as they have ever been.

Thermodynamics cannot be used to argue that life devolves or dies due to degradation of the genome. It is also wrong to cite apoptosis as an argument that things die due to entropy.

[CottShop]

Sorry- shoudl have made it clear- the issue of organisms living for long times- some research, or explaination- not sure what to google on htis

[CottShop]

[[If anything, single celled organisms are as robust as they have ever been.]]

Well we don’t really know that- it could well be that they have ‘degraded’ from species that, like htose that live al ong time, they too lived very long times- In the old testament, man lived hundreds of years- one living 900 some odd years- we’ve degraded over time due to mutaitons (somethign the ‘Mitochondrial EVE’ Project confirms)