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To: hunter112
Why do you feel that science attacks your religion? Evolution is a scientific way of approaching the questions of why everything is here, it is a competing set of thought to the idea that things got here suddenly or deliberately by an outside intelligence.

::Sigh::

1)The Torah is absolute. It was written directly by G-d, not by any human being (not even Moses). Its authority is greater than that of any "science." The first eleven chapters of Genesis are history, not myth, and it tells us that the laws of nature have not always been as they are today.

2)Science can only study the world before it. How that world came into existence is completely outside its legitimate purview. The fact that all people begin as zygotes doesn't mean that the first man who ever lived began as a zygote (you have to start somewhere). The whole project of retrojecting the laws of nature into the distant past in order to discover a purely natural explanation for the existence of everything is loaded with preconceptions and prejudices.

173 posted on 01/21/2009 8:08:55 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . koh 'amar HaShem, shallach 'et-`ammi veya`avduni!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
1)The Torah is absolute. It was written directly by G-d, not by any human being (not even Moses).

Wonderful, that's what you believe, but you cannot scientifically prove that. I can go in and show that the words used conform to a pre-scientific mythology in the way simple people could understand things. You answer that the laws of nature were different then. How convenient.

The fact that all people begin as zygotes doesn't mean that the first man who ever lived began as a zygote (you have to start somewhere).

We do. We say that humans evolved from zygotes that were from a common ancestor that existed somewhere before humans and the other apes diverged. Think of it as a painted wall that when the paint was freshly applied, it was bright red. Over the years, exposure to sunlight has caused the paint to fade to a dull orange. At what point is the wall no longer red, and then became orange? It's very difficult to say, all we know is that it used to be red (because we took off something attached to the wall sometime soon after painting and saw the original color), and now it's orange.

The whole project of retrojecting the laws of nature into the distant past in order to discover a purely natural explanation for the existence of everything is loaded with preconceptions and prejudices.

There's one big difference. If additional observational reproducible evidence is found, the scientific theories change, that is the very essence of the scientific method. With religionists, no amount of evidence is enough to change the preconceptions and prejudices. Or, it takes hundreds of years for them to accept that the Earth is spherical, not flat.

175 posted on 01/21/2009 8:56:01 AM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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