Posted on 01/17/2009 3:39:21 PM PST by Coleus
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Well, yeah.
But, some blithering imbeciles who inhabit our fair Free Republic will argue incessantly that Hitler was a devout Christian.
For their “evidence” *cough cough* they cite some wacko militant atheistic website which they quote with abject sincerity.
Their contempt for all real historical evidence is total.
I've found that they also follow the same agenda described in this article, at least with respect to euthanasia.
Ping to find later
Exactly the tactic Satan uses. Mix a little truth in with the lies to make them easier to swallow.
If he could dupe people into believing that he was a Christian, then he could bide his time on deceiving them and eventually (so he thought) win them over.
Problem is, he, along with most deceivers, don't realize that not everyone is as naive or stupid as they seem to think.
Trolls, probably. We all run into them on here, but they end up as ash.
I imagine many of our true Evangalical ministers are starting to see what Diedrich Bonhoeffer faced in Nazi Germany. Keep praying for our country.
Must read tomorrow.
I posted the following article to elaborate a few other points in response to the article at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2166800/posts
IMHO, the above analysis fails to give sufficient credit to the depth of occultic involvement of senior NAZI officials. Hitler had a definite eschatology which varied greatly from NT theology, but the foundations from OT theology provided an springboard for the Third Reich which they mixed with a pagan worldview.
BTW, The Third Reich was understood by many to be the Millennial reign of the eternal kingdom on earth. Some have associated the First Reich with the Roman Empire, the Second Reich as the German Empire from the late 1860s through 1919 and the Third Reich as corresponding to the Millennium or 1000 year rule, which would also usher in a 4th and 5th Reich.
Some proponents from the same theories advocate a “New Age” Movement ushering in a 5th Reich with trans-dimensional creatures, linking UFO and angels and a litany of other fringe readings together.
The issue being presented here isn’t to verify or deny such claims, bit to note that some people do exist who seriously advocate these power structures. Just as NAZI Germany would never have been thought possible within the Wiemar Republic, or under Bismark, these lunatic fringe theories also seem to follow many associates and allies of those in the new administration.
No, they are/were some pretty well-established types who, because they fancy themselves experts in an area of science, believe that makes them all-knowing historians and theologians, too.
The more they posted about it, the more absurd their claims.
THANKS.
Fascinating in terms of the OThuga ‘reign’ looming.
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels 'the fathers' of communism, and .. ta-da!.. atheists: "Religion is the opiate of the masses" were Jews. Leon Trotsky, aka 'Lev David Bronstein' was also a Jew. Additionally, virtually all the Bolshevik leaders (and ATHEISTS) of the (cough) 'Russian Revolution' were also ... ta-da! ...Jews. (sheesh, who doesn't know this .. that is, besides the author?)/sSo, 'the atheistic creed of communism "being born" in Christendom'? Give me a break, - and Selwyn Duke a History Lesson. He happens to have the wrong religion referenced. And in his spare time he may want to check the Baptismal Records of all the atheist ACLU lawyers. (that's a joke, there are none)Then in recent history we have the Manhattan Project Communist and ATHEIST SPY Ring of David Greenglass, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, among others, who all were, last I checked, Jews. And even TODAY who is the leading Atheist suing the U.S. Government for every utterance of the word "God"? One Michael Newdow, a Jew.
Did I mention Selwyn Duke needs a History lesson? Yep I did, well he need another one. And so does Julie Seltzer Mandel.
The persecution of Catholic Priests, The Catholic Church (plus Lutherans) in Nazi Germany and their occupied countries was anything but "Top Secret". And no old OSS docemnets are required.
Back in the late 1950's, in almost every Parish there was at least one Priest who spent time in a Nazi Concentration Camp - at least in Chicago. In mine, St Agnes, it was Father 'Tony'. He was either Polish or Lithuanian (can't recall it was so long ago). Father 'Tony' was everyone's favorite, he was so understanding as he knew what real evil was as he lived it.
In two other neighborhood Parishes, Five Holy Martyrs (Polish) and Immaculate Conception (Lithuanian), those Priests ALSO spent time in Nazi Concentration Camps and/or were victims of Nazi persecution. And in 1979 when Pope John Paul II visited Chicago he celebrated Mass at Five Holy Martyrs as one of the Priests was a friend of his from the occupied days of Poland (That was the biggest day my old neighborhood ever had).
So I've had it up to 'HERE' with this left-wing commie propaganda about Christianity and Nazis, the filthy lies by the ADL that the Catholic Church and the Pope was 'pro Nazi' (talk about "Blood Libel"!)-- AND the current attacks on it by ATHEIST - Non Christian - scum like Michael Newdow and his fellow travelers at the ACLU - Period!
Yeah, right now I don't feel 'too Christian', my blood is boiling
/rant
I didn’t read into this what you’ve read into it; I thought the author intended “Christendom” as a more geographic reference. But, I could be wrong.
Someone on another thread said that Islam is the closest to Arian theology in the world today. And that is pretty close. The Arian (not Aryan) heresy of Christianity was the one primarily adopted of the Germanic tribes (with the Franks being the exception), and was a much harsher and bloody religion than orthodox and catholic Christianity. In the lead up to the rise of Hitler, many German theologians longed for a “different” Christianity than what was then in the forms of the Catholics, Lutherans, and Unionists (basically Reformed/Baptists). Not a few wanted the return of the Arian creed of a more militant faith.
What is interesting to me is that in some of his books, he is very opposed to any type of armed revolution or coup “unless it is the Anti Christ”. But later he did participate in a coup attempt that cost him his life. Even though he did not view Hitler as “The” anti Christ.
But the real lesson of the time isn't that Bonhoeffer resisted, it is how many other pastors and priests just went along to get along. And that even today, Bonhoeffer is not very well liked in the State Church of Germany, for he went “political” and was a rebel. He, and other pastors and priests from that era who stood up, are viewed as tainted.
He was never a Nazi, but at times in the early days he tended just to write them off as harmless.
Just about everyone considered Hitler and the Nazis to be buffoons in the early years, by the time people realized the danger it was too late.
What is interesting to me is that in some of his books, he is very opposed to any type of armed revolution or coup “unless it is the Anti Christ”. But later he did participate in a coup attempt that cost him his life. Even though he did not view Hitler as “The” anti Christ.
I think a lot of people have the false impression that THE anti-Christ will APPEAR evil, the reality is that even many of the faithful will believe that the anti-Christ is Christ.
But the real lesson of the time isn't that Bonhoeffer resisted, it is how many other pastors and priests just went along to get along. And that even today, Bonhoeffer is not very well liked in the State Church of Germany, for he went “political” and was a rebel. He, and other pastors and priests from that era who stood up, are viewed as tainted.
By the 1930s the secularization of much of Europe was a fait accompli.
The WWII years in Germany are much like plague years. Those who went through them won't talk much of them, and those who came after don't focus on them much. A distant cousin talked of it “As awakening from a terrible nightmare, and not wanting to remember what it was”.
Bonhoffer, and others like him, serve as powerfull witnesses to those who survived. If you ask a typical German WWII survivor about Hitler they will say “He seemed so good for a time!” and he did. But they will also admit, that even when he stopped seeming good, that they didn't want to stop believing in him. For the consequences of that meant something would have to be done.
Now the regular soldiers often recognized this first, which is why on the Eastern front there were numerous plots to kill Hitler and stage a coup. But for civilians, the illusion lasted longer even in the towns outside the death camps. Bonhoeffer not only saw past that illusion, he worked against it. First by shuttling Jews out of the country, and then by the bomb attempt. To Germans of that era, and even today, it is a very powerful witness that not all were fooled, and perhaps they should not have been either.
People don't like to be confronted in that way, and will be very upset at the one who destroys the illusion. Hence, Bonhoeffer and others who were involved are not looked as heroes, but as fools and villains.
Very good post. I reread “The Cost of Discipleship” ever few years and EVERY time I come away with a deeper appreciation of the absolute necessity to try to do God’s Will regardless of the consequences.
I’m seeing some similarities.
>> Perhaps he’s able to do that because he isn’t human, and isn’t mortal, and is really pretty powerful now, just as he was in 1945. <<
Are you referring to Sauron, or Roosevelt?
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