Who is that Man of Sin to be revealed, the Son of Perdition...

Self | Jan 12th, 2009 | TARAP

[TaraP]

Are the Man of Sin and the Son of Perdition 2 totally different people?

MEANING OF PERDITION:Entire loss; utter destruction; ruin; esp., the utter loss of the soul, or of final happiness in a future state; future misery or eternal death.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

If the Man of SIN was Nero-666 then we have the Son of Perdition to be revealed....I know many have said is Obama that person, but really could he be?

Paul wrote similar words to the Thessalonians, ‘The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders’ (2 Thes 2:9).

John in the book of Revelation records his vision of a beast coming out of the earth. In similar words he says, ‘And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.

Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived those who dwell on the earth’ (Rev 13: 13,14).

"For The Son Of Man Will Come Like The Lightning, Which Flashes Across The Whole Sky From The East To The West." For Discussion:

[Quix]

Scripture has many funny parts . . .

However, in that post it was the absurd inferences that were so funny.

[Quix]

I’m not sure some folks could

recognize a “clearly stated”

if it bit them where there’s lots to bite.

[Quix]

I didn’t know he did that.

HOrrific.

Thanks.

[MHGinTN]

Dedicated to Lucifer, the first great community activist, according to the twisted mind of Saul Alinsky whom Obama and the rodham rodent admire.

[null and void]

For The Son Of Man Will Come Like The Lightning

Luke 10:18 (King James Version)

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

[Quix]

Welllllllllllll, I’ve said for years,

he was their boss.

Didn’t realize they were so overt about it.

[Just mythoughts]

http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/dnc_corruption.htm

"Rules for Radicals" begins with an unusual tribute: "From all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins – or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer."

Note that if someone has his own 'kingdom', doesn't that make this entity a 'king' in these followers minds?

[mitch5501]

Psa 27:5 "For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock."

"Understand that, if St. Paul thought eschatology critical enough..."

He wasn't the only one...

"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts" (2nd Peter 1:19)

Jhn 13:19 "Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am [he]."

Jhn 6:29 "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

1st John 3:23 "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment"

1st John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

God help us all.

[Quix]

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

The naysayers are going to be left with some very unpleasant chaff ashes to spit out.

[Quix]

Oh, I had read that.

True. True.

Thx.

[thatjoeguy]

There is nothing in Revelations about comfort the epistles to the Thessalonians was for comfort, Revelations is simply what its name implies;

Revelations 1:1
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass"

Not things that happened in the past. Also the copy I have from Josephus says 'THE STONE COMETH' and is more likely the correct one. Not because it fits my story but that it simply makes sense and is more plausible.

JB

[thatjoeguy]

“Christians expecting to be “raptured” may not be prepared for whatever is coming, sort of in like lacking oil for their lamps.”

Thanks, That’s a perfect analogy and one that we were even warned of by Jesus.

Oh, interesting history in the family there.
JB

[topcat54]

There is nothing in Revelations about comfort the epistles to the Thessalonians was for comfort, Revelations is simply what its name implies;

I’m not sure what version you are reading, but I find all sorts of comforting words from Jesus in the book:

I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, (1:9)

and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name's sake and have not become weary. (2:3)

To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God. (2:7)

Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. (2:10)

To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it." ' (2:17)

And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—(2:26)

9 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. (3:19-21)

"And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. (22:12-15)

I could go on and on. The point being that Revelation is a book of comfort. God is in complete control and His children, in spite of temporal trials, will be vindicated and rewarded in the end, while the unrighteous will suffer both temporal punishment and eternal torment. As I said, these words were very appropriate for first century believers suffering at the hands of the Romans and apostate Jews.

[topcat54]

Not things that happened in the past. Also the copy I have from Josephus says 'THE STONE COMETH' and is more likely the correct one. Not because it fits my story but that it simply makes sense and is more plausible.

J. Stuart Russell in his book The Parousia, writes: “It could not but be well known to the Jews that the great hope and faith of the Christians was the speedy coming of the Son. … St James, the brother of our Lord, publicly testified in the temple that ‘the Son of man was about to come in the clouds of heaven,’ … It seems highly probable that the Jews, in their defiant and desperate blasphemy, when they saw the white mass hurtling through the air, raised the ribald cry, ‘The Son is coming,’ in mockery of the Christian hope of the Parousia, to which they might trace a ludicrous resemblance in the strange appearance of the missile.’” ( Our Daily Thread, see also RC Sproul’s The Last Days According to Jesus)

[big'ol_freeper]

Someone once accused me of being a son of perdition here on FR. I don’t think I am, but just in case I thought I should divulge that.

[Bender2]

Re: Someone once accused me of being a son of perdition here on FR. I don’t think I am, but just in case I thought I should divulge that.

You are half right, big, as I've called you a son-of... numerous times. Especially this football season!

Yet if you are the Son of Perdition... I'll drink to that!

[blackie]

Happy, Happy!

[thatjoeguy]

Ok, I guess if that’s what you want to believe who am I... :)

JB

[PleaseNoMore]

Call it absurd all you want. 1 Thessalonians does not speak of a pre-trib rapture. At all. It is very specifically that it references the sequence of events that will occur at the Second Coming. One can search for pre trib rapture in that book all they want but it just ain’t there.

[PleaseNoMore]

I believe the rapture doctrine is one of the most dangerous doctrines ever taught in that it causes Christians to be nonchalant, and unprepared for the things coming on this earth. Instead, they are expecting to mysteriously vanish and suffer nothing when the bible is explicit that Christians will see suffering, and even clearer that those who endure until the end shall be saved.