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I thought I specifically clarified that one (Ezekiel's war) didn't have anything to do with the other (Armageddon campaign). I'm sorry if I didn't; however, it was my sincerest attempt to do so. I agree that we should keep watching events closely, but remember, Jesus stated only the fool says that the Lord delays His return. Just in case we're all wrong, we would be smart to remember that no man knows the day nor the hour. I disagree that Ezekiel's prophecies don't match up to current events. I believe current events are the definate precursors to what Ezekiel foretold of.

Sorry, I'm not really trying to put any words in your mouth so to speak. I'm mainly replying more to the premise that Ezekiel 38 and the Gog and Magog prophecies apply to events today. The posted article is making this case.

Unless something drastically changes in Israel the following verses do not describe Israel today:

Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

This can only apply to an Israel that has been at peace for a very long time. Say 1000 years.

Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Again nobody is dwelling in safety in Israel today. But they will during the millennium.

Add this information along with the fact that Gog and Magog are mentioned in Revelation 20 as coming against Israel after the millennium and I think it's pretty clear that trying to predict todays events based on these prophecies is not very wise.

63 posted on 01/11/2009 6:05:28 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Unless something drastically changes in Israel...

My friend, we certainly do live in interesting times, and things are likely to change in an instant with regards to Israel, or any other nation.

We could very well see a peace deal brokered, and the walls (well, the fences and partial wall) come down in Israel. In the years prior to 1948, there were not many who believed a state of Israel possible. Yet, it happened, and suddenly. Anything is possible.

Events in our world today strikingly foreshadow the prophecy of the battle of Gog and Magog in Ezek 38-39. All of the necessary antecedents for the fulfillment of this prophecy are in place or are moving in that direction. The Jewish people have been regathered to their land in unbelief, the Middle East peace process is front and center in international diplomacy, and the invaders in Ezek 38 are identifiable nations who have both the desire and the potential to fulfill the Gog prophecy.

In reading Ezekiel, I see the book divided as this:

Ezekiel 1 -24 refers to the captivity of Israel and the reasons for the captivity.

Ezekiel 25 - 32 refers to the judgments upon the nations who have come against Israel.

Ezekiel 33 - 39 refers to Israel in the last days before the return of the Messiah.

Ezekiel 40 - 48 refers to the Millennial temple and reign of the Messiah.

There are some who even believe that references to "unwalled" villages aptly describe modern Israel as the cities & towns are not divided as was common in historical Israel, and that the fences in place are border partitions. They believe that references to Israel living securely doesn't necessarily refer to them living at peace, but in security, having confidence in their own military abilities.

Personally, I believe we are living in the last days. I don't claim to have a time frame for when things are going to wrap up. I do know that Jesus says when we see these things happen, to look up for our redemption draweth nigh. Well, there's a lot happening; a lot I don't necessarily understand fully, so I am going to be looking up...

97 posted on 01/11/2009 8:54:18 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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