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To: DelphiUser
Please show where that is doctrine. (Talmadge is not Canonized)
Good luck, you'll need it.

P.S. I personally believe that the couplet is true, but it's just not doctrine of the church.

Not doctrine? Why then is it taught here: Gospel Library Lessons, Chapter 18: Beyond the Veil: Life in the Eternities,” Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, (2007),217–26

The Prophet Joseph Smith taught the following in May 1843, later recorded in Doctrine and Covenants 131:1–4: “In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees; and in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage]; and if he does not, he cannot obtain it. He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.”7 “Here, then, is eternal life—to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, … by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power. …

1,066 posted on 01/07/2009 7:20:08 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (The "new" Camelot?? Jackie "O" is spinning in her grave....)
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To: DelphiUser; Godzilla; Elsie; Birmingham Rain
Not doctrine, huh?

"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!...........It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God....yea, that God himself, the father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.... [Joseph Smith, quoted by Joseph Fielding Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 345-346.]

"He is our Father – the Father of our spirits, and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are, and is now an exalted Being…. It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being;…[Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 333-334]

"The Gods who dwell in the Heaven from which our spirits came, are beings who have been redeemed from the grave in a world which existed before the foundations of this earth were laid. They and the Heavenly body which they now inhabit were once in a fallen state. [Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, 1853-1854, 20.]

"The Gods who dwell in the Heaven from which our spirits came, are beings who have been redeemed...PLURAL gods?

"You and I--what helpless creatures are we! Such limited power we have, and how little can we control the wind and the waves and the storms! We remember the numerous scriptures which, concentrated in a single line, were stated by a former prophet, Lorenzo Snow: "As man is, God once was; and as God is, man may become." [President Spencer W. Kimball, Our Great Potential, Ensign, May 1977, page 49.]

1,075 posted on 01/07/2009 8:35:05 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (The "new" Camelot?? Jackie "O" is spinning in her grave....)
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To: greyfoxx39
DU - "Please show where that is doctrine. (Talmadge is not Canonized) Good luck, you'll need it."

DU - "P.S. I personally believe that the couplet is true, but it's just not doctrine of the church."

GF - "Not doctrine? Why then is it taught here: Gospel Library Lessons, Chapter 18: Beyond the Veil: Life in the Eternities,” Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, (2007),217–26"

In the interests of space I am not going to lug around your excerpt from the book.

The Canonized works of the church determine the doctrine of the church, is the deification of man taught YES! is the deification of man in our scriptures, YES!

Please find anywhere in our canonized works, where it says that God was once a man. It's just not there.
1,083 posted on 01/07/2009 9:12:54 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: greyfoxx39; DelphiUser
P.S. I personally believe that the couplet is true, but it's just not doctrine of the church

Greyfoxx - Just imagine if the missionaries would walk up to the house and say

""Hi. We're missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Did you know that God is an exalted human being that resides on a planet near the star Kolob? And did you know that you too can become an exalted being just like God?"

Conversion rates would drop like the stock market.

May be the couplet should be fixed so that future prophets won't be put on the spot -

It is a true, unwavering, long-held belief and LDS gospel certainty: As man is God once was; as God is man may become - but I'm not sure that we teach it.

1,110 posted on 01/07/2009 10:26:45 AM PST by Godzilla (Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?)
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