I don’t understand how this site has become a place to bash Mormons
Neither do I!
Posted on 12/27/2008 11:10:30 AM PST by Gamecock
Again, nothing ever affected you. You weren’t around in 1830. Its like me saying that Martin Luther, or Henry the 8th, or King James said something bad about the pope and Catholics therefore they hurt me. It has nothing to do with you, you weren’t targeted by anything. When Joseph Smith formed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, he did it not to bash any religion, but to establish one based on prophecy (whether you believe it or not does not matter) that he thought was the right thing to do, like all founders of whatever religion. I’m talking now. I do not bash other religions, I don’t spend my time looking for faults with everyone else’s religion. I don’t post pseudo theologic garbage about other religions. Being offended because Joseph Smith said something or formed a religion in the 1830s has as much to do with you, as the “African Americans” of this day and age had to do with slavery. It may have affected their ancestors, but really has nothing to do with them. So if you are offended by me or my religion, all I ask is you keep it to yourself. I feel that as a fellow conservative, we have a duty to support each other, and stick together as our country disintegrates around us, not find ways to divide us as this does.
Hey Rey, you have been Owned by gypjet. Nice try, thanks for playing.
Maybe you should get reparations since some guy over 150 years ago might have said something that offended one of your ancestors.
You are wise and truthful.
This kind of behavior is amazing to watch.
How they hollow as though some one was stummping on their toes.
Many try to justify this carring on...
but I think one of the prophets Ezra Taff Benson said this best..
The proud cannot accept the authority of God giving direction to their lives. They pit their perceptions of truth against God’s great knowledge, their abilities versus God’s priesthood power, their accomplishments against His mighty works.
[their] enmity toward God takes on many labels, such as rebellion, hard-heartedness, stiff-neckedness, unrepentant, puffed up, easily offended, and sign seekers. The proud wish God would agree with them. They aren’t interested in changing their opinions to agree with God’s.
The proud make every man their adversary by pitting their intellects, opinions, works, wealth, talents, or any other worldly measuring device against others. In the words of C. S. Lewis: “Pride gets no pleasure out of having something, only out of having more of it than the next man. ... It is the comparison that makes you proud: the pleasure of being above the rest. Once the element of competition has gone, pride has gone.” (Mere Christianity, New York: Macmillan, 1952, pp. 109-10.)
In the pre-earthly council, Lucifer placed his proposal in competition with the Father’s plan as advocated by Jesus Christ. He wished to be honored above all others. In short, his prideful desire was to dethrone God.
The scriptures abound with evidences of the severe consequences of the sin of pride to individuals, groups, cities, and nations. “Pride goeth before destruction.” (Prov. 16:18.) It destroyed the Nephite nation and the city of Sodom.
It was through pride that Christ was crucified. The Pharisees were wroth because Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, which was a threat to their position, and so they plotted His death.
Fear of men’s judgment manifests itself in competition for men’s approval. The proud love “the praise of men more than the praise of God.” (John 12:42-43.) Our motives for the things we do are where the sin is manifest. Jesus said He did “always those things” that pleased God. (John 8:29.) Would we not do well to have the pleasing of God as our motive rather than to try to elevate ourselves above our brother and outdo another?
Fear of men’s judgment manifests itself in competition for men’s approval. The proud love “the praise of men more than the praise of God.” (John 12:42-43.) Our motives for the things we do are where the sin is manifest. Jesus said He did “always those things” that pleased God. (John 8:29.) Would we not do well to have the pleasing of God as our motive rather than to try to elevate ourselves above our brother and outdo another?
The scriptures testify that the proud are easily offended and hold grudges. They withhold forgiveness to keep another in their debt and to justify their injured feelings.
The proud do not receive counsel or correction easily. Defensiveness is used by them to justify and rationalize their frailties and failures.
The proud depend upon the world to tell them whether they have value or not. Their self-esteem is determined by where they are judged to be on the ladders of worldly success. They feel worthwhile as individuals if the numbers beneath them in achievement, talent, beauty, or intellect are large enough. Pride is ugly. It says, “If you succeed, I am a failure.”
I think you should spend more time on your dating sites than on here. You are becoming to aggressive and nasty.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal. Click on my profile page for more guidelines pertaining to the Religion Forum.
What’s with this mormon stuff? Feels like I’m in the Twilight Zone with Joe Smith and a bunch of rocks.
Question #1: Why do you assume God is a created entity?
And point #2: Mormonism is one of the few religions that doesn't have an ultimate Creator-god -- an ultimate Original Source of everything and every spirit...Smith claimed that spirits & matter were both eternal...and that God only "organized" them.
Mormonism has the grand "organizer" god...but not the Original Source.
OK, how many billions of people who've ever lived -- or angelic/demonic entities -- does that describe? How many of them could say, "Yup, I've been 'one in purpose' with this demon or with this angel or with this person." That hardly makes any of them "one" the way God the Father and Jesus are.
Jesus always refers to himself as God because he follows God’s will exactly...
More shallow logic. How many angels -- and even the demons themselves -- could have pointed to a perfect track record? At one point in their "angelic career," every demon could say, "So far, I've followed God's will exactly." And the same could still be said about angels.
...his word is the same as God’s...
Take Daniel. Take Isaiah. Which of their words that you know they spoke were their own?
...his purpose is the same as God’s in that way you can say they are one, which he does.
And pray tell, tell us how angelic purposes are distinct than Jesus?
Seems kind of simple when you don’t use a bunch of fancy pseudo scientific jargon to spew a bunch of negative information about a religion which believes in and attempts to follow Christ’s teachings. Hard to believe that other “Christians” are so negative.
(Yeah, it's hard to believe Mormons are so negative about Christians -- like you are here...that Mormons go about spouting to this very day -- daily -- that we Christians had a universal apostasy that has continued...One of the top three Mormon missionary lessons -- now referenced as points for "dialogue" -- for the past 45 years has been the supposed 100% Christian apostasy & LDS restoration. No 100% apostasy; no need for any Joe Smith.)
As far as I know, you weren’t there in the 1820s. I’m talking now. I wouldn’t EVER say anything bad about your religion.
Oh, give me a break. You do tithe to the LDS Church? Does it currently publish the Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith verses 18-20 in umpteen different languages?
Do you support LDS missionaries in any way? Do they currently go around talking about a 100% Christian apostasy that's been in effect from around the 4th century and were it not for your precious "only complete truth" church, there wouldn't be a true church on earth?
Does not the Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:9-10, teach that there are really only two churches -- the church of the Lamb and Satan's church? (And we all know who Mormons regard as the church of the Lamb is and who they regard as "Satan's" church)
And don't LDS leaders like Kent Jackson still have out in print books on the so-called 100% Christian apostasy? Doesn't Ensign occasionally publish some of these articles?
I just expect the same from the people, I consider follow my beliefs since we visit the same site.
Listen. Get this straight: No 100% Christian apostasy; there's no need for Jos. Smith as a "restorer." No Christian spiritual graveyard; no need for a Mormon church foundation built upon that graveyard.
Mormons are in a position where they've had to try to maintain the Christian graveyard. Because if there's evidence of resurrected Christians outside of Mormonism, then Mormonism is irrelevant as God's complete kingdom. And if there were spiritually resurrected people in Christ at the time of Smith, that won't do, either. (It makes Smith out to be a complete liar)
That's why LDS need to speak so negatively -- at least in their published materials and their missionary door to door conversations...because if Christianity was only the tiniest bit alive in 1820 or 1830...Joseph Smith was superflous and irrelevant as a builder of THE church from scratch.
D&C 7 says the apostle John never died. 3 Nephi 28 says three Nephite disciples never died. Apparently, they're all roaming the earth somewhere. Therefore, Smith WAS irrelevant!
So, we have a choice. Do we take a 14 yo boy's word...or do we take the apostle Paul's? Paul said very explicitly in Eph. 3:21 that the church would give glory to God through "ALL ages." That was a direct prophecy! What kind of problems did Smith have, or Mormons have today, that they can't understand the plain meaning of a word like ALL?
Jesus Christ Himself prophesied that He WOULD build the church...and the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18). Yet Smith says it did prevail...and that Jesus lied as a false prophet. What utter blasphemy! (While Smith boasted that he was the ONLY man who ever knew how to keep a church together...that Jesus and Paul never did it...what gall!)
1 Tim. 4:1 the apostle Paul says that the Holy Spirit explicitly said only SOME would depart from the faith in the latter days. Not all! How long have Mormons had this major problem in their failure to understand the difference between the words "ALL" and "SOME?"
Neither do I!
Show me where he is mistaken.
wasnt it you a while back that agitated mainstream Christians on FR by claiming you were going to hose them off with mormon doctrine?
My apologies if I recalled that incorrectly
Can someone link? - I wasn't actively posting then, so I have no way to go back to the thread
Thanks for the info, I will read the guidelines.
****Being offended because Joseph Smith said something or formed a religion in the 1830s has as much to do with you, ****
One could easily say that because none of us lived 2000 years ago the teachings of Christ has nothing to do with us. BUT WE KNOW THAT IS NOT SO. That is why we have a BIBLE to read, not some tall tale fabricated in later years. And many tales have been fabricated by others in that time.
Besides, the BIBLE teaches that if I see person teaching or believing something false and I do not point it out then that person’s blood will be upon my head. Ezek 3.. Look at the defense the early Christians gave against the various heretics at that time. They were not mild in their criticism of heresy.
“So if you are offended by me or my religion, all I ask is you keep it to yourself.”
or someone could follow the commands of the Bible...
“Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light.” Eph 5
Of course there's a difference between defending one's faith, & tearing another's down. How often do actually defend your faith here rather than tearing another's down? I have had discussions w/ you in the past where you have called on me to defend my faith & I have. However, when called upon to do likewise, you have demurred. Funny thing, perspective.
You seem to have a very bright intellect. Is that intellect ever used here to forward the positive aspects of your belief, or is it rather just used to tear down your brother? Defending one's faith is actually far more satisfying & enlightening than the negative attributes associated w/ bashing another's beliefs IMHO. Try it, you'll like it.
For me, it's time to focus on the Sabbath today & helping my fellow man up. My best wishes to you in your efforts to do likewise.
Show me where he is mistaken
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Like I said before, he makes stuff up;
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“God Himself could not create Himself”
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THIS IS A MADE UP LINE THAT YOUR AUTHOR SAID JOSEPH SMITH SHOULD HAVE SAID.
ONE OF THE MANY STRAWMAN SAYINGS USED TO KEEP US FROM SEEING WHAT IS REALLY TAUGHT.
I’m not going to discuss this while you are screaming.
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