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To: HereInTheHeartland

Yes.


153 posted on 12/26/2008 4:46:45 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan

Your argument is of course silly.
The command to “render unto Caesar”; was not a directive for humans to willingly submit to abuse. It should not be used to encourage humans to allow abuse by the state.

It was an answer to a question that was worded to entrap Jesus. The Jewish leaders were trying to paint Jesus as an enemy of their selves and of Rome.
Jesus used the wording of his answer to say that the coin that was shown to him was minted by the Roman government and that it was acceptable to pay taxes to Rome.


156 posted on 12/26/2008 5:01:44 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I can't wait for January 20, 2013")
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To: B-Chan
B-Chan””Yes.””

You're right and the Church knew the enemies of Christianity,especially freemasonry,an important factor in establishing the US.

Here is a walk through some Catholic history that you're probably aware of regarding freemasonry

From “IN EMINENTI from POPE CLEMENT XII- 1738
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Clem12/c15inemengl.htm

Excerpt;
Therefore, bearing in mind the great harm which is often caused by such Societies or Conventicles not only to the peace of the temporal state but also to the well-being of souls, and realizing that they do not hold by either civil or canonical sanctions; and since We are taught by the divine word that it is the part of faithful servant and of the master of the Lord's household to watch day and night lest such men as these break into the household like thieves, and like foxes seek to destroy the vineyard; in fact, to prevent the hearts of the simple being perverted, and the innocent secretly wounded by their arrows, and to block that broad road which could be opened to the uncorrected commission of sin and for the other just and reasonable motives known to Us; We therefore, having taken counsel of some of Our Venerable Brothers among the Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, and also of Our own accord and with certain knowledge and mature deliberations, with the plenitude of the Apostolic power do hereby determine and have decreed that these same Societies, Companies, Assemblies, Meetings, Congregations, or Conventicles of Liberi Muratori or Francs Massons, or whatever other name they may go by, are to be condemned and prohibited, and by Our present Constitution, valid for ever, We do condemn and prohibit them.

From-DELL'APOSTOLICO SEGGIO -From Pope Leo XIII 1890
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18901015_dall’alto-dell’apostolico-seggio_en.html

Excert:
It is needless now to put the Masonic sects upon their trial. They are already judged; their ends, their means, their doctrines, and their action, are all known with indisputable certainty. Possessed by the spirit of Satan, whose instrument they are, they burn like him with a deadly and implacable hatred of Jesus Christ and of His work; and they endeavour by every means to overthrow and fetter it.

From HUMANUM GENUS- Pope Leo XIII
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus_en.html

13. In those matters which regard religion let it be seen how the sect of the Freemasons acts, especially where it is more free to act without restraint, and then let any one judge whether in fact it does not wish to carry out the policy of the naturalists. By a long and persevering labor, they endeavor to bring about this result - namely, that the teaching office and authority of the Church may become of no account in the civil State; and for this same reason they declare to the people and contend that Church and State ought to be altogether disunited. By this means they reject from the laws and from the commonwealth the wholesome influence of the Catholic religion; and they consequently imagine that States ought to be constituted without any regard for the laws and precepts of the Church.
14. Nor do they think it enough to disregard the Church - the best of guides - unless they also injure it by their hostility. Indeed, with them it is lawful to attack with impunity the very foundations of the Catholic religion, in speech, in writing, and in teaching; and even the rights of the Church are not spared, and the offices with which it is divinely invested are not safe. The least possible liberty to manage affairs is left to the Church; and this is done by laws not apparently very hostile, but in reality framed and fitted to hinder freedom of action. Moreover, We see exceptional and onerous laws imposed upon the clergy, to the end that they may be continually diminished in number and in necessary means. We see also the remnants of the possessions of the Church fettered by the strictest conditions, and subjected to the power and arbitrary will of the administrators of the State, and the religious orders rooted up and scattered.

And from Cardinal Ratzinger before he became Benedict XVI

DECLARATION ON MASONIC ASSOCIATIONS
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html

Excerpt;
Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on 17 February 1981 (cf. AAS 73 1981 pp. 240-241; English language edition of L’Osservatore Romano, 9 March 1981).

161 posted on 12/26/2008 5:18:36 PM PST by stfassisi (The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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