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To: annalex; dangus; TexConfederate1861; jo kus; Kolokotronis
Once the calm and rational discourse prevails over the filioque, some other putative heresy is fantasized about: papism as dictatorship, sanctification as deification, the use of the term “original sin” when describing original sin, the direction of the sign of the cross, azymism, shaved priests, etc

Frankly, I don't care how one makes the sign of the cross. We Orthodox have a fantastic variety when it comes to that (and we cross every time the Trinity is mentioned and just about every time God's name, and Blessed Mary's name are invoked, with bows).

The west used to make the sign of the Cross with three fingers, then they changed it. The old way wasn't good enough I guess. And don;t tell me it was because of the new discoveries of the "deposit" of faith that someone "discovered" that the Church had it all "wrong" for centuries making sings of the Cross with three fingers instead of the whole hand!

These innovations were made by people, they are man-made changes so someone could leave "mark." Changes often have more to do with personal egos than any justifiable need. Don;t tell me that the way we cross is somehow "out of step" with the modern world.

I don't care if you have leavened or unleavened bread. The Patristic Church had unleavened. Shaved clergy is an adoption which is not traditional in the Church either. Bearded clergy has its roots in the Old Testament, and in our Lord the High Priest. All the Church Fathers had them until the Latin Church became more Roman then Patristic.

It was, after all, the tragy-comic bull of excommunication by Cardinal Humbert in 1054 that accused the Eastern clergy of "heresy" for not "looking" like the Latin clergy!

So, when you point a finger, you may find the finger pointing at you.

50 posted on 12/10/2008 12:26:22 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; dangus; TexConfederate1861; jo kus; Kolokotronis

But we don’t raise doctrinal objections just for the sake of raising them. There is a finger pointing at us indeed, and you pointed it rightly: the shaky liturgical practices, horrid architecture, disobedient yet dictatorial episcopate, ignorant laity, and I could go on.


51 posted on 12/10/2008 12:38:08 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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