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To: jo kus
The filioque is an expression that addresses the Divine Economy

But Catechism 246 seems to say the procession from the son is also eternal:

246 The Latin tradition of the Creed confesses that the Spirit "proceeds from the Father and the Son (filioque)". The Council of Florence in 1438 explains: "The Holy Spirit is eternally from Father and Son; He has his nature and subsistence at once (simul) from the Father and the Son. He proceeds eternally from both as from one principle and through one spiration. . . . And, since the Father has through generation given to the only-begotten Son everything that belongs to the Father, except being Father, the Son has also eternally from the Father, from whom he is eternally born, that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son."75

15 posted on 12/09/2008 3:18:37 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; jo kus; Kolokotronis; TexConfederate1861
jo kus: The filioque is an expression that addresses the Divine Economy

annalex: But Catechism 246 seems to say the procession from the son is also eternal

17 posted on 12/09/2008 4:29:26 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: annalex; TexConfederate1861; jo kus

From Annalex: >> Only on the Authority of an Ecumenical Council of the ENTIRE Church. That hasn’t happened yet. <<

From TC: >> The Council of Florence in 1438 explains:...”

The addition of the Filioque was approved by an ecumenical council, and not just an exclusively Western (Roman) one.

The Council of Florence was attended by representatives from throughout Eastern Orthodoxy, and ratified by these representatives of the Eastern church. At such a meeting, purposely held away from the menace of Avignon, the Eastern Patriarchs came to understand that the West had not altered doctrine, since the Son proceeds from the Father, that which proceeds from the Father and the Son proceeds ultimately from the Father alone.

Unfortunately, these Eastern patriarchs discovered on their return that political authority trumped their ecclesiastical authority. Thus, civil authorities continued to deliberately perpetuate the misunderstandings now understood to be false.


26 posted on 12/10/2008 5:36:20 AM PST by dangus
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To: annalex; kosta50
The Latin tradition of the Creed confesses that the Spirit "proceeds from the Father and the Son (filioque)". The Council of Florence in 1438 explains: "The Holy Spirit is eternally from Father and Son; He has his nature and subsistence at once (simul) from the Father and the Son. He proceeds eternally from both as from one principle and through one spiration

ONE principle. That was what the Orthodox had problems with. They believed that there we thought there were two principles from which the Spirit is proceeds from. When we say "from the Father and the Son", they thought that we were confessing two principles.

Regards

28 posted on 12/10/2008 5:53:30 AM PST by jo kus (You can't lose your faith? What about Luke 8:13...? God says you can...)
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