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To: Salvation
How about the Baptists, Methodist, Presbyterians, Lutherans, evangelicals who voted for Obama??

Does this make you feel better? Compare and contrast to the Catholic numbers reported in post #27 to the numbers below, or just see the full table on my profile page.

xx% McCain, 23% Obama - White Evangelicals age 30-6411
75% McCain, 25% Obama - White7,10 Born Again5,10,12 Evangelicals1,8,10,12
xx% McCain, 32% Obama - White Evangelicals age 18-2911
65% McCain, xx% Obama - Weekly church-attending Protestants7
65% McCain, 34% Obama - White Protestants7,8
54% McCain, 45% Obama - Protestants6,8
46% McCain, 52% Obama - Non-Evangelical Protestants 12
xx% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanic Protestants and other Christians11**, ****
xx% McCain, 94% Obama - Black Protestants11,13**,****

Why does everyone blame Catholics?

First, please take note that this "What's wrong with Catholics?" article came from a Catholic publication. It makes a number of good points re how Catholics voted (and why). IMO, I believe the reason that the Catholic vote has gotten so much coverage this go-round is because of the contrast between the strong, vocal pro-life stand that many bishops took (and many conservative Catholic FReepers with them) - and the overall Catholic vote skewing for Obama anyway. What's more, IIRC, I read that this was the first time in political history where the "faithful (i.e. weekly mass) Catholics" ended up supporting the losing candidate.

I wouldn't (and don't) "blame the Catholics" for Obama's win. If anything, I blame the Protestant and Evangelical churches for Obama's win, via the Hispanic and Black "Protestant" votes. Our congregations are (apparently) far more racially divided than 2004's vote let on. Hispanic and Black "Protestant" voters went for Obama in almost opposite ratios to White Protestants. That's not something the Protestant/Evangelical church should be proud of.

Elsewhere I've conjectured that IMO the faithful Church in America has shrunk so far as to lose (most) influence over morality and culture, and I won't repeat it here. In short, I believe that Christians in 2008 have lost ground, and are now too small a minority to sway elections in and of themselves. We have become strangers in a foreign land (Exodus 2:22, cf Jeremiah 5:19). That's the real story coming out of these election results, in my honest opinion.

58 posted on 11/10/2008 9:57:45 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: Alex Murphy

It may be as gloomy as people say, or this election may be a bit flukey due to the economy.

Stand your ground everyone!


59 posted on 11/10/2008 10:04:41 PM PST by RGPII (There are no atheists in foxholes.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’d like to further see added to these polling numbers something like:

“Are you a Catholic voter?” and “what is the name of your parish?” as if this needed to be cross checked.

Because otherwise, I think a good number of these Catholics really are not authentic followers of the Faith and of Christ’s Vicar on Earth.


64 posted on 11/10/2008 10:57:06 PM PST by RGPII (There are no atheists in foxholes.)
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