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To: wideawake; count-your-change
"infallibility is not attributed to every doctrinal act of the pope, but only to his ex cathedra teaching; and the conditions required for ex cathedra teaching are mentioned in the Vatican decree"

It should then be a simple matter to provide a list of "ex cathreda" teachings of the Popes, preferably from an official sourch.

I have never seen one. Have you?

260 posted on 10/17/2008 9:58:59 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
It should then be a simple matter to provide a list of "ex cathreda" teachings of the Popes, preferably from an official sourch.

I have never seen one. Have you?

And I doubt very much that you will ever see one :-)

263 posted on 10/17/2008 10:12:02 AM PDT by Truth Defender (History teaches, if we but listen to it; but no one really listens!)
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To: OLD REGGIE
List? I don't know that one exists so, no, I’ve never even heard of such a thing let alone seen it.
One would have to include the pronouncements of the ecumenical councils since according to Vatican II,

“Although the individual bishops do not enjoy the prerogative of infallibility, they can nevertheless proclaim Christ’s doctrine infallibly. This is so, even when they are dispersed around the world, provided that while maintaining the bond of unity among themselves and with Peter’s successor, and while teaching authentically on a matter of faith or morals, they concur in a single viewpoint as the one which must be held conclusively. This authority is even more clearly verified when, gathered together in an ecumenical council, they are teachers and judges of faith and morals for the universal Church. Their definitions must then be adhered to with the submission of faith” (Lumen Gentium 25).”

Deciding what is “ex cathedra” might make the task less simple.

288 posted on 10/17/2008 12:21:26 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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