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To: r9etb
`Scripture does not support your either/or claim

Sure it does. And thank God it does because it makes life so much more joyful to know mercy is truly unmerited, and we are saved by grace and not debt.

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. " -- Romans 5:8-10

Saved while we were still enemies, still sinners.

Read Ephesians 1. Our salvation is all part of God's grand purpose in creating in the first place.

"Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." -- John 6:65

85 posted on 08/22/2008 2:38:22 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Sure it does. And thank God it does because it makes life so much more joyful to know mercy is truly unmerited, and we are saved by grace and not debt.

Amen and amen. When that truth finally became real to me. a huge burden was lifted off of my shoulders resulting in opening a praise to His glory that I never felt was possible. And I saw the same thing happen with my kids. Hallelujah, all praise and glory to the Lamb!

87 posted on 08/22/2008 2:42:28 PM PDT by lupie
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