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To: Marysecretary; vladimir998
catholic (universal) church and it is each and every one of us who believe.

It is not the sense in which the word was used by the Early Church.

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans

This is the same letter that condemns those who don't believe in the Eucharist as the Church teaches it, and condemns all schism. When he wrote "Catholic" he meant "Catholic".

261 posted on 08/13/2008 2:46:38 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Call it what you will. It won’t change the fact that catholic means universal and all believers are part of that universal church. We are not Catholic, we are catholic. All of the early church was not Catholic as you put it.


290 posted on 08/13/2008 5:20:12 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: annalex; Marysecretary; vladimir998
The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans

How certain are you ot the authenticity of this Epistle?

Forged "Ignatius" Letters.


342 posted on 08/14/2008 3:14:23 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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