Posted on 08/11/2008 4:58:31 PM PDT by annalex
The ignored gospel is the necessity of good works and sacramental life in the Church for salvation, just like the article explains.
I’m dying to know the YEAR that the Catholics started crackin open the Word of God!
No one said anything about biggest. The fruit of the Catholic Church is the Western civilization itself — not a bad showing.
Still, — and despite weaknesses, especially in the American Church, what makes the Catholic Church not one, and which then is the One?
As soon as they wrote it.
Indeed, contrast this with the biblical model exhibited by Aquila & Priscilla taking Apollos aside in Acts 18 and teaching him privately.
Sorry,bub, you and your group are on a diffrent planet!
The rich young ruler was to sell all that he had and give to the poor. I believe it was specifically for him, and symbolic to me. I should be willing to give up all that I have (or, whatever my Lord asks), and do what He wants.
This is probably a bad example, because this was specific instruction to 1 person, symbolic for the rest of us.
I was trying to show that Jesus does use symbolism, and that we have to use a little discernment to figure out some of His ‘hard sayings’. But if ‘born again’ = ‘baptism’ without symbolism, then we will just have to disagree...
western civilization pales in comparison to what Christ wanted from His bride!
that is quite a stretch.
Paul wrote 60% of the New Testament,and his outreaches expanded to the known world. Protestant Reformation did much of the rest...but don’t quote me
So you are saying that Christ is not sufficient. That His sacrifice was not sufficient to overcome the sins of the world. The the Son of God needs our help to accomplish the reconciliation of man with God and to enable our adoption as children of God.
Your understanding of the gospel is faulty, my friend. The “filthy rags” of my works of righteousness do not facilitate my salvation, they exhibit it.
LOL.
Stephen Baldwin was raised as a Roman Catholic, along with his three brothers. By the grace of God, he left Catholicism for "a better and an enduring substance."
At least one other Baldwin brother is out from Rome, IIRC. Brother William Baldwin's wife, Chynna Phillips, is also born-again, so I would presume William isn't too far behind.
Brother Daniel Baldwin, in his desperate quest for sobriety, certainly sounded born again when he talked about his addictions recently on TV.
Brother Alec seems to be the only Badwin who identifies himself with Rome these days. hmmm...
When you love your church more than you love Christ, you’re walking on dangerous ground....
Soli Deo Gloria. Soli.
The Protestant error is shared by very many and openly; it is not a matter of extending charity to a single person, and correcting him privately, but through him to the entire Evangelical Protestant ecumen that needs to hear the Gospel in full. “Preach ye upon the housetops” (Mt 10:27)
Hooorah! nicely put...works won’t get you in the door!
It’s a shame that you can’t see what you’re saying...What the heck is the Protestant error? You call what the ‘historical church did to this point evangelism..NOT
this is the prime error of the Church and its’ people have been blindly lead to do what the church counsels and don’t make waves. Such a waste
"Symbolic" isn't the word here; obviously it is teaching by example. But we all need to examine our circumstances and give what we don't need. Further, the Catohlic Church encourages consecrated life whereby the commandment given to the rich young man is undertaken by the monks and nuns literally.
Jesus does use symbolism
Yes, but it should not be an excuse to sweep aside whole chapters of the gospel as "symbolic". Symbolic speech is used quite a bit, but it is easy to spot. For example, where Jesus calls Himself the door (John 10) He also calls his disciples sheep, and a bit later He calls Himself shepherd, so it is clear that we have a metaphor. No one questions Him "are you really a door?" In both John 3 and John 6 the discourse goes on for a while and both times Jesus repeats the same startling statement another time: "amen, amen I say to you: you have to be born of water and Spirit; you have to eat my flesh". Further, it contains an instruction for us to do something, and we see in the scripture how the instruction is implemented in the early Church: the Apostles go and baptize people and Jesus does give them His flesh at the Last Supper telling them "do this"; then from 1 Cor 11 we learn that it indeed became the practice of the Early Church to celebrate the Eucharist. So, the Early Church took these passages literally.
The general rule is that the literal meaning is to be applied first and symbolic or metaphorical meanings only secondarily, just like Fr. Victor says.
Exactly, the Apostles and their students wrote the New Testament and the Catholic Church gave her approval to some of their writings and rejected others.
Where did I say that? I said, read the gospel and obey it; the article shows the parts you ignored, so perhaps you should start with the Bible quotes therein.
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