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The Restoration of the Aaronic and Melchizedek Priesthoods Part 2(LDS) OPEN
Mormon Matters ^ | July 7, 2008 | John Nilson

Posted on 08/07/2008 3:49:42 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

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Part 1, detailing the claim of the LDS church that it has the only true Priesthood of Jesus Christ is posted in a companion thread.

This thread is open to general discussion.

1 posted on 08/07/2008 3:49:42 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; svcw; Enosh; ...

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2 posted on 08/07/2008 3:52:10 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: greyfoxx39
In May of 1829 Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were praying in the woods about baptism and had John the Baptist appear to them, put his hands on their heads, and recite the following, currently found in D & C Section 13: Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah, I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins…”

So my question would be... Did Joseph Smith live the life of an Aaronic priest since that time?

3 posted on 08/07/2008 3:54:19 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: greyfoxx39
“reformed Egyptian” from which the Book of Mormon was supposedly translated from is as bogus as a $3 dollar bill. Don't dare flame me for this unless you can provide a link to ANY ME archaeological finds showing it actually existed.
4 posted on 08/07/2008 4:02:48 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited; sevenbak; fproy2222; Utah Girl; TheDon
I'm no longer mormon, so I don't defend the doctrine, but believe in bringing it into the light of day.

Pinging some mormons that may like to see an open discussion thread for a change.

5 posted on 08/07/2008 4:08:09 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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6 posted on 08/07/2008 4:14:40 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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Pinging some mormons Sigh...

Never a one has ever pointed to an archaeological dig from let's say Cairo that uncovered "Reformed Egyptian.

7 posted on 08/07/2008 4:27:17 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

***Never a one has ever pointed to an archaeological dig from let’s say Cairo that uncovered “Reformed Egyptian. ***

I believe someone here on FR showed some of the “reformed Egyptian” charactors were actually Gaelic shorthand of the 1700’s.


8 posted on 08/07/2008 4:55:08 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: AmericaUnited
Never a one has ever pointed to an archaeological dig from let's say Cairo that uncovered "Reformed Egyptian.

Sigh... Must you anti Mormon Cabal members lie about everything? The scripture you are referring to clearly states that it is altered and known only to them.

Mormon 9:32-34:

32 And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech.
33 And if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record.
34 But the Lord knoweth the things which we have written, and also that none other people knoweth our language; and because that none other people knoweth our language, therefore he hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof.

So why do you make the strawman argument that there has to be a similar written language, somewhere else? Especially when the account claims to be the only reference. That is a blatant misrepresentation in my book. Where I come from they call that lying. My sister invented her own written language for her diary so that no one else could read it. I think it was some form of shorthand but she still isn't talking.

I am more curious as to where the original Bible written in God's own hand is? What perfect language was it written in? Inquiring minds want to know? Are you going to tell me that the most important book in the world (in your mind at least) is missing? Horrors! Could it be that your book was written by goat herders after getting drunk on fermented goats milk?

9 posted on 08/07/2008 5:04:48 PM PDT by LeGrande
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Man, I would like to know why you sister thought it necessary to invent her own language to protect her private thoughts n her diary - was she protecting them from you perhaps?


10 posted on 08/07/2008 5:29:59 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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Man, I would like to know why you sister thought it necessary to invent her own language to protect her private thoughts n her diary - was she protecting them from you perhaps?

Me? LOL It was her guilty conscience :) Actually I think she did it just because she liked that kind of stuff, crossword puzzles, cryptograms, math, etc.

11 posted on 08/07/2008 6:56:28 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: AmericaUnited

Well, there is that funerary parchment that some how was “translated” into the Book of Abraham. Which is kinda of like “translating” a soup can label into a paperback novel.


12 posted on 08/07/2008 7:38:01 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: LeGrande
Fermented goat's milk is called “cheese” and it may cause a lot of things but drunkenness is not one of them.
13 posted on 08/07/2008 7:50:28 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: LeGrande
Those verses just make me chuckle out loud. By the way, from reading the book of Mormon, chapter 9, I get the DISTINCT impression that the author WAS BLATANTLY RIPPING OFF many verses straight from the New Testament. Has anyone ever found any proof whatsoever that the peoples/battles/tribes listed actually existed? I highly doubt it. Archaeological discoveries are constantly proving the authenticity of the real Bible.

And it came to pass in this year there began to be a war between the aNephites, who consisted of the Nephites and the Jacobites and the Josephites and the Zoramites; and this war was between the Nephites, and the Lamanites and the Lemuelites and the Ishmaelites.

My response is from the Book of AU.

AU 7:17-19:

17 And some of the Grande order will disputest thee with falsehoods but smiteth them back not.
18 For they are a confused and stubborn people, clinging to falsehoods and fairy tales from a charlatan.
19 Knowesth this, they maketh for good humor.

14 posted on 08/07/2008 11:32:15 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

I am not familiar with the Book of AU (Masonic?) but I particularly liked the 18th and 19th verses.

18 For they are a confused and stubborn people, clinging to falsehoods and fairy tales from a charlatan.
19 Knowesth this, they maketh for good humor.

Sounds like good Atheistic reading material : ) and very descriptive of the Born Agains around here.


15 posted on 08/08/2008 5:53:47 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: count-your-change
Fermented goat's milk is called “cheese” and it may cause a lot of things but drunkenness is not one of them.

It just depends on the bacteria that is used. Granted, Goats milk is low in sugar so it wouldn't be a very potent alcoholic drink, but you know goat herders, they are persistent buggers.

16 posted on 08/08/2008 6:05:54 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
Book of AmericaUnited. LOL!
17 posted on 08/08/2008 6:41:30 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: LeGrande

I’m glad I don’t have to depend on your cooking or your theology.


18 posted on 08/08/2008 6:46:42 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: AmericaUnited
Book of AmericaUnited. LOL!

Heh, maybe our theology isn't so different : )

19 posted on 08/08/2008 10:00:41 AM PDT by LeGrande
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I’m glad I don’t have to depend on your cooking or your theology.

I resent that : ) My theology of lack of isn't important, but to besmirch my cooking, that is low. I'll have you know that I am a pretty good cook. Right now I am marinating some shrimp and slow cooking some pork ribs for our barbecue tonight. I am even putting on enough for my neighbors because I am sure that they will drop in for a visit right around supper time : )

That reminds me, I need to go put in the apple wood and check the temperature. I try to keep it right around 250 degrees. I can guarantee one thing though, we won't be drinking any fermented goats milk. That just sounds wrong, like most of the Bible : )

20 posted on 08/08/2008 10:16:08 AM PDT by LeGrande
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