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To: Cvengr
Maybe you are placing your faith more in physical images of your liking, than receiving what He is providing for you through faith in Him, ergo, you might be asking the wrong question in order to understand His meaning which He is providing for you.

I'll bite. What is the right question?

I also have a question for you. Do you know of a single, clear, unambiguous prophecy that has come true?

With most religious people I know, there is a vast gulf between what they believe and what the scriptures actually say. Their beliefs are actually a lot more coherent and rational and they generally impose their beliefs on what they read.

191 posted on 09/07/2008 6:43:30 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande

Prophecy:

Daniel gives the time to the exact date the Messiah should come several hundred years before the event. It may not be clear to you but it was crystal to faithful Jews at the time.

The Bible prophesied that the city of Tyre would be utterly destroyed and describes how it would be done.

The Bible foretold the destruction of Babylon and furthermore that it would never be rebuilt.

Then there’s Samaria, Gaza-Ashkelon, Petra and Edom, Thebes and Mamphis, Nineveh

Details are available in Josh McDowell’s book: Evidence That Demands a Verdict.


192 posted on 09/07/2008 7:03:25 AM PDT by gost2
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To: LeGrande
I'll bite. What is the right question? I've found it best to first humble ourselves before Him, placing just a smidgeon more faith than absolutely no faith whatsoever, and asking perhaps, 'What have you God, provided for us?'

In this particular context, of seeking to understand the description of the earth, instead of asking 'Is that describing a globe hanging in space?'from the context of a predetermined scientific answer already in hand, one might ask, 'Exactly what is being descibed by the Scripture?'

The next process might be to read and hear what is being provided in Scripture as something God is revealing to us about Him and what He has provided.

Instead of basing our thinking first upon the creation, those created things we observe as being primal to God, we instead are accepting Him as being primal, and then inquire as to what He is revealing to us about creation.

This doens't negate science, the scientific method, experimental design, nor any number of rationalistic inquiries, inductions or deduction, but it is a discernibly different method than placing the creation before the Creator.

It might be the case that He is revealing something far more profound to us than we had set our minds upon investigating independent of Him.

196 posted on 09/07/2008 7:50:57 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: LeGrande
Do you know of a single, clear, unambiguous prophecy that has come true?

Sure, lots of them. Take for example our Lord Christ Jesus riding into Jerusalem on the foal of a donkey, prophecied in Zechariah 9:9, some 542 years before the event.

We also have our Lord Christ Jesus prophecying to the builders that the Temple would not have one stone left upon another, but His temple would be raised again in three days after His death. The Temple was torn down circa 70 AD, and not one stone left upon another when those tearing it down became aware of the many golden fixtures in the Temple, and when it was burned, believed the gold had melted and drained between the cracks and joints between the building's stonework. They then proceded to tear down the Temple in search for their treasure.

197 posted on 09/07/2008 8:05:51 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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