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A Heavier Cross To Bear [why Obama's VP choices are filled with Roman Catholics]
The New Republic ^ | July 30, 2008 | Michael Sean Winters

Posted on 07/31/2008 2:14:21 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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1 posted on 07/31/2008 2:14:21 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Please, Obama, please pick Kitty Kat Sebellius. . .then lose.


2 posted on 07/31/2008 2:18:19 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Oh please, How delicious.
Select a Catholic, Obama.
You of the never-met-an-abortion-I-couldn’t-defend-even-if the-baby-survives-and-has-to-be-killed vote.
Please pick a pro abortion Catholic for your ticket and help highlight the hyprocrisy that abounds in your political party.


3 posted on 07/31/2008 2:21:12 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Alex Murphy
universal health care, which the Catholic Church considers a moral obligation that society owes its members.

"The Catholic Church" believes no such thing, regardless of what individual Catholics think. The rest of this article is a load of crap too.

4 posted on 07/31/2008 2:43:47 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: Alex Murphy

**Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City—Sebelius’s own bishop—saw it differently: He went public with his request that the governor refrain from presenting herself for communion. In a column in his diocesan paper, the archbishop called her behavior “scandalous” before going on to say, “The spiritually lethal message, communicated by our governor, as well as many other high-profile Catholics in public life, has been in effect: ‘The church’s teaching on abortion is optional.’” Sebelius did not offer any public response to the archbishop’s edict.**

Indeed, the Catholic Church has always stood against abortion!


5 posted on 07/31/2008 2:45:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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**Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City—Sebelius’s own bishop—saw it differently: He went public with his request that the governor refrain from presenting herself for communion. In a column in his diocesan paper, the archbishop called her behavior “scandalous” before going on to say, “The spiritually lethal message, communicated by our governor, as well as many other high-profile Catholics in public life, has been in effect: ‘The church’s teaching on abortion is optional.’” Sebelius did not offer any public response to the archbishop’s edict.**

Indeed, the Catholic Church has always stood against abortion!


6 posted on 07/31/2008 2:46:24 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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**True right-wingers never advocate an “integrated approach” to anything, let alone the right to life. In the northern half of the state, Bishop Paul Loverde of Arlington has established a similarly moderate reputation.**

Likewise, Kaine will not be tha VP choice.

Why would any Catholic back Obamanation?


7 posted on 07/31/2008 2:47:19 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: silverleaf; antonius
**highlight the hyprocrisy that abounds in your political party.**

This hypocricy?


8 posted on 07/31/2008 2:48:55 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Oops

This hypocrisy?


9 posted on 07/31/2008 2:49:36 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Alex Murphy
Tim Kaine, on the other hand, has an easier relationship with the Catholic Church. To some degree, this is a blessing of geography: He has the advantage of governing and living in an area with more level-headed bishops.

I hear the "level-headed" skulls make great paving stones...

10 posted on 07/31/2008 2:50:56 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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Each is pro abortion, so no Catholic will vote for them.


11 posted on 07/31/2008 2:52:23 PM PDT by NoLibZone (All Democrats must be rationed fuel to reduce their hypocrisy about global warming.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Good find.

“Archbishop Naumann is one of a number of conservative prelates who have decided to use the communion rail as a bludgeon in the culture war. (The most famous example came in 2004, when Archbishop Raymond Burke of St. Louis forbade John Kerry from receiving communion within his jurisdiction; another was when Douglas Kmiec, a former Department of Justice official in the Reagan administration, was denied communion for his support of Obama this year.) Naumann has been published in the conservative Catholic journal First Things, a magazine that often mimics White House talking points more faithfully than it follows the teachings of the Catholic Church. And he has participated in the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast, an annual event that’s meant to bring Catholics together with (mostly Republican) political leaders. In the event that Obama selects Sebelius, we can expect Naumann to take to the airwaves, and Obama’s campaign could be forced into a high-profile and unwelcome skirmish with a religious figure.”


12 posted on 07/31/2008 2:57:53 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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No bias from the writer here. /sarcasm off

“Naumann has been published in the conservative Catholic journal First Things, a magazine that often mimics White House talking points more faithfully than it follows the teachings of the Catholic Church.

The writer likely writes this either a cafeteria Catholic or a non-Catholic, out of ignorance. The issue of Life takes prominence over other common social or political issues.


13 posted on 07/31/2008 3:07:17 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: kittymyrib

“if this were a Christian church”

Jimmy Carter and William Jefferson Clinton were both Baptists. They both were for abortion. They weren’t booted from their churches. I do believe that Baptists are still Christian churches.


15 posted on 07/31/2008 3:34:16 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: kittymyrib

The presence of sinners and hypocrites does not determine if a church is Christian. But you are right about the horrendous failings of the hierarchy when it comes to calling out pols who see nothing wrong with legal baby butchery.

Freegards


16 posted on 07/31/2008 3:40:11 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: kittymyrib

I agree the Church needs to be vigilant about serving communion and offering the other sacraments (except confession) to those who openly fail to uphold its most sacred unambiguous teaching.

At least we know where Pope Benedict stands on abortion.
I could not say the same for my protestant church I used to attend, which I left when a new lesbian minister arrived.


17 posted on 07/31/2008 3:41:52 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: kittymyrib

They excommunicated themselves latae sententiae a long time ago, which you would know if you weren’t so ignorant.


18 posted on 07/31/2008 4:52:57 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Salvation; Alex Murphy
Why would any Catholic back Obamanation?

Because in the USA it is largely an urban liberal church.

19 posted on 07/31/2008 5:11:19 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights

You may have been correct twenty or so years ago. Thanks to the last couple of Popes, the bishops are more conservative.

All in all, Catholics will give thanks.

(Although, it may be cramping their cafeteria Catholic style right now. LOL!)


20 posted on 07/31/2008 5:16:17 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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