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To: Truth Defender
How in the world does [the Pope] know who is "validly baptized"?

For a baptism to be valid it has to be in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit), be with water, and have the baptisee or his sponsor if an infant is baptised, desiring to bring the baptisee into the Church. A priest is not necessary if one cannot be found on time, or for non-practicing Catholics. Most Protestant baptisms are valid. Since you ask, by the way, every valid baptism is also a baptism into the Catholic Church whether the particuipants in the sacrament recognize it or not. Those baptized in a Protestant tradition get their souls permanently marked as Catholic Christians, however, since they don't practice Catholicism they fall off later.

Here we go with "salvation through works!" Not a single "evangelical" believes that!

People are judged and therefore saved by their works. If you don't believe it, you haven't familiarized yourself with enough scripture.

6 [God] will render to every man according to his works. 7 To them indeed, who according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life: 8 But to them that are contentious, and who obey not the truth, but give credit to iniquity, wrath and indignation.

(Romans 2)

34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in: 36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.

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41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me.

(Matthew 25)

Since when does the Pope's church (institution) have the authority to decide the leadership of other churches?

Since St. Clement in the 2nd c, at least.

699 posted on 08/03/2008 11:19:45 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

“Most Protestant baptisms are valid. Since you ask, by the way, every valid baptism is also a baptism into the Catholic Church whether the particuipants in the sacrament recognize it or not. Those baptized in a Protestant tradition get their souls permanently marked as Catholic Christians, however, since they don’t practice Catholicism they fall off later.”


Seems, in the final analysis, to make the entire religious structure of the Catholic church unnecessary.


705 posted on 08/03/2008 11:32:10 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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