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To: Truth Defender; Dr. Eckleburg
I was under the incorrect impression that the "doctor" posted a link to the actual document, but she instead posted a link to some silly MSNBC site. Here it is

RESPONSES TO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE DOCTRINE ON THE CHURCH

In part, this is what it says:

FIFTH QUESTION

Why do the texts of the Council and those of the Magisterium since the Council not use the title of “Church” with regard to those Christian Communities born out of the Reformation of the sixteenth century?

RESPONSE

According to Catholic doctrine, these Communities do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of Orders, and are, therefore, deprived of a constitutive element of the Church. These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery[19] cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called “Churches” in the proper sense[20].

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[20] Cf. Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Declaration Dominus Iesus, 17.2: AAS 92 [2000-II] 758.


361 posted on 08/01/2008 6:25:08 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

I missed:

[19] Cf. Second Vatican Council, Decree Unitatis redintegratio, 22.3.


362 posted on 08/01/2008 6:26:42 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
RESPONSES TO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE DOCTRINE ON THE CHURCH

Hmmm...sounds almost, but not quite, like what the Morman Church has to say about its outlook on other churches.

368 posted on 08/01/2008 7:21:43 PM PDT by Truth Defender (History teaches, if we but listen to it; but no one really listens!)
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To: annalex

THANKFULLY,

God does NOT see it that way, at all.

His OBVIOUS ANOINTING . . . such as the Welsh Revival and other congregations here and there throughout the last 2,000 years demonstrates quite otherwise as well.


380 posted on 08/01/2008 7:59:53 PM PDT by Quix (key QUOTES POLS 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: annalex

But hey, who are we to stop rabid RC’s from talking as though God’s a liar or clueless.


381 posted on 08/01/2008 8:00:26 PM PDT by Quix (key QUOTES POLS 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: annalex; Truth Defender
lol. There's no difference between the MSNBC article and your post, Anna.

Ratzinger's condemnation of my church reflects not on me, but on him and all who blindly look upon him as "another Christ."

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be ondemned." -- Matthew 12:36-37


459 posted on 08/02/2008 12:11:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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