Posted on 07/29/2008 4:39:52 PM PDT by annalex
lol, I see the anti catholic Harpie crowd is here.
The other main source was attempts to merge Christianity with Greek philosophy. This is where the Gnostics come in, and some of the other more odd heresies.
But for the later Medieval heresies, these can't be the source.
Which, I guess, on second thought, is what it is....
I know that Pelagian was the source of a heresy, but could you give details of the Pelagian view of justification?
Before responsing, it would be helpful to know your understanding of that period in history. Please post references and links. Thank you.
Why am I not surprised.
ITTM
INDEED TO THE MAX.
I see Judith Anne has called the mod in because what I said was antagonistic. I can’t see it but... That’s what they do.
Hell would be more likely to hold an Olympic snowball fight, first.
THEY CANNOT--EVEN TO THEMSELVES--EVEN TO THE PERSON IN THEIR MIRRORS--DARE TO RISK EVEN THE KERNAL of such an honest, true-to-history-and-reality logical answer to that question.
If they do, the house of cards is in shambles.
Have you ever seen one of those string and stick sculptures--all tensioned just right etc? Their house of cards is like that only chaotic vs orderly.
The rubber stretches from point A to point W. And from point C to point X. And from point K to point YY. and from point G to point QQ . . . a Gordian Knot would be a slipknot by comparison.
The mutually exclusive terminal level deal breaker BRAZEN CONTRADICTIONS within the edifice and it's endless reams of dogma and fantasized doctrines & !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! of men and worse . . . are as obvious as warts on a toad . . . unless one is addicted there-to; obsessed there-with and worshiping there-at.
Some folks with sufficient fair-mindedness and openness to Holy Spirit to learn and see truth, yet . . . may well profit eternally from your great efforts. It increasingly looks like a number of rabid folks hereon may well not be included in that cluster.
Being born again means you can’t get away with the stuff you used to. The Holy Spirit is at work in your life to rid you of the garbage you bring into your Christian walk. When you begin to change, then people KNOW the Holy Spirit is in you. When you begin to love people without reservation, then people know the HS is within you. You cannot live the Christian life without Him working in and through the believer. All this takes time, to be sure, but there should be evidence of the HS in your life when you are born again.
All with the most polished expression of incredulity that anyone would consider such rubber logic to be the least bit amiss . . . along with terminal Olympic Class haughty indignation that there could possibly be the least micro-gram of a flaw in such assertions.
Maybe some need an ice dunking to be awakened and brought back to this reality.
NO.
But a cluster of Believers who are against
—rubber histories
—rubber Bibles
—rubber logic
—rubber dictionaries
—fantasized dogma
—fantasized unrelatives of Jesus
—fantasized purities
. . . heresies . . . doctrines and traditions of man and worse . . .
THE TRUTH
is certainly against the corrupt elements, lying elements,
rubber history elements
rubber Bible elements
rubber logic elements
rubber dictionary elements
political power-mongering bureaucracy elements
etc. of the RC edifice.
Of course . . . without all that . . . it wouldn’t be anything resembling the RC edifice we are all familiar with . . .
which must be where the terror comes from . . .
to imagine that with all the sacred cows gored . . . what would be left . . .
That would be frightful for those addicted to worshiping the sacred cows.
Doesn’t really matter—parsing words and historical facts is back to the rubber edifice.
The summary in that paragraph is sufficient for the point.
The BRAZENLY OBVIOUS CONTRADICTIONS are inescapable.
Y’all simply refuse to deal with them.
I believe that I have previously addressed your claim that every violent death in Europe from the fall of Rome through the 18th Century is somehow attributable to the papacy:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2023605/posts?page=11638#11638
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2023605/posts?page=11102#11102
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2023605/posts?page=10782#10782
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2023605/posts?page=10195#10195
“Evangelicals: Change of Heart toward Catholics”
You can’t expect everybody to want to unite against secularism and anti Christian sentiment for Christ. But most of those are not evangelicals. They think evangelicals are wrong as well. Everybody is wrong but them.
“You shall know them by thier fruits”
The Christians had been reading Romans 7 for 15 centuries prior to Luther without the need to invent self-serving doctrines that directly contradict it. Some gift.
It is true that every time anyone says anything about any evengelical position, an evangelical will be found who would say it is a misrepresentation. You just followed up with two posts to me that apply the same error of fundamentalist literalism to monasticism and celibacy (combined with apparent ignorance of the scripture passages concerning John the Baptist). Well, whatever the evangelical manner of scriptural interpretation is, your posts illustrate why it is inadequate and un-Catholic.
Masybe I was unclear in my 82 when I said "these are the things that are together uniquely Catholic, that are each a bastion against the forces of secularism". I did not say that each of these things alone is uniquely Catholic, but rather that they together, as a list, only apply to the Roman Catholic Church.
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