[Mad Dawg]

Thank you. You just provided a fine example of the subject of this thread AND what seems to be a typical anti-Catholic move, namely to make a charge for which you adduce no evidence, and leave it to us to prove ourselves innocent.

Thank you for playing our game and for showing that Anti-Catholicism is alive and well on FR.

[Always Right]

As I said in post 37 I was leaving for the night and could not respond. It is probably not the best dive into this, but after being called a bigoted by a dozen posters and insisting that I can't find ONE examples on FR on Catholics denying salvation of non-Catholic Christians, I thought I should search a bit and see.

Although I will have to agree Protestants bash Catholics far more than vice versa and many of the attacks cross lines, Catholics are not completely innocent. I can't seem to have a disagreement on these threads without being personally attacked. But here are a few of things I found. I am sure it will accomplish anything, as I really did intent to start fight.

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There is only one Way that we are joined together as the Body of Christ - through the One Church. Salvation comes into the world in the person of Jesus, and He established one Church to bring His Salvation to the world. The Church is necessary, for She is the principal instrument through which God's grace enters the world.

Everyone should then, to assure their salvation, be a formal member of this Church and profess what She professes. However, we make allowances for God to have mercy on those, who for reasons beyond their control, do not formally join the Catholic Church.

That's it. Those not formally part of the Catholic Church who are not culpable for this fact can be saved anyway. But this salvation is only possible because these people will be, in some mystical way, "inside" of the Church.

95 posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:58:12 AM by SoothingDave

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What of it? Those who don't accept our teaching cannot be justified. Does that mean that small children and the feeble can not be justified? No. There are always exceptions for culpability.

194 posted on Friday, January 04, 2002 1:52:22 PM by SoothingDave

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We also believe that all Christians know the Gospel of Jesus thanks to the Catholic Church who have obediently have preserved it for 2000 years, and that for that reason salvation is only through the Catholic Church.

Just as gravity applies to everyone, regardless of those who don’t believe in it, so too does the truth administered to the world by the Catholic Church apply to all people.

 

55 posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 9:45:25 PM by Notwithstanding

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I guess I don't consider them to be Catholics, and the other categories really don't matter to me.

And I think people who slam the Blessed Mother, whatever they call themselves, are idiots and I really don't care what they worship.

I remember what an ever-loving dunce I was when I believed all that nonsense.
 

17 posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 8:50:09 PM by the invisib1e hand

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The Catholic Church does not teach that all Protestants or non-Catholics are going to Hell. What it does teach is that anyone who know the Catholic Church is the one Christ founded and dies apart from it will not be saved.

146 posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:12:48 AM by ndkos

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A protestant, by definition, is someone who rejects some truths of the orthodox Christian faith ... or teaches things which are alien to it. That makes them all heretics, to some extent.

Some protestants' behaviour is antithetical to Christianity (so is some Catholics').
 

96 posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:16:20 AM by ArrogantBustard

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Here's a few comments by Catholics which ALex Murphey document in 2007.  Some are from deleted posts, but some can be easily found with a google search:

Catholics are no more innocent of the religious flamewars here than Protestants are.

1/23: Brace thyself for the attacks of snake handlers, calvinists, "non-denoms" and others...
1/24: If you're upset that I called out the cults for what they are...sorry...but it's still an accurate depiction of the non-denoms, mormons, calvinists and other wacky cults.
2/5: Mormons...the cult that's become commonplace...so hard-up for membership that they have to resort to attempted spiritual kidnapping of the dead...
2/13: Fact is, John Calvin was an unintelligent, perverse fraud who founded a cult known as "calvinism." The Episcopal "Church" was started by an English king who could not get the Pope to accept the king's immoral ways. Luther was a disaffected, likely egomaniacal priest. Protestantism is a breakoff of mainstream Christianity that seeks to glorify the pastor more than the Lord. Presby's are some of the laziest "Christians" out there...as are all of their predestination cousins.
2/14: Would the calvinist cult members like some damnation with their heresy?
2/15: As for your post, you're also off base and reciting a continual lie of the snake handlers, calvinists and "pastor" worship folks at the Church of the Almighty Dollar.
2/21: Hey...I'm not surprised by anything the snake-handling crowd does. Their "churches" are simply shrines to the "pastors" - no theological foundation...
3/1: Why is this listed as a Catholic interest article? Why not Calvinists? They're the ones who practice the witchcraft.
3/2: You'll note that it's "Calvin" College. Again, I ask why are the activities at a cult center in the midwest relevant to Catholics?
3/4: I tell ya, this "reverend" ... is nothing more than an uneducated bumpkin. Wonder how much money he's skimming from the ship of fools attending his "church..."
3/4: You'd be stunned by how quickly these snake handlers degrade into profanity, anger and threats.
3/4: Again, a demonstration of a protestant being ignorant...
3/4: Let's have a little fun with that wackiest of prot sects, the Baptists
3/5: Being a protestant is in itself a demonstration of ignorance...
3/6: The pentacostals, "church of God" and others are simply inventions of men...designed to pump the ego and line the pockets of the "pastors." But continue donating...I'm sure your pastor is happy in his new Benz...
3/7: Martin Luther, being a relatively lazy type, deleted a good chunk of the Bible? A British king, attempting to justify his own heresy and immorality, heavily edited a version to suit his own twisted lifestyle?
3/7: Yes, if you're a born again, declared protty, then you're clear to do whatever you wish..."date" male hookers, cheat on your spouse, defraud donors of money intended for religious purposes...not that any protestant "ministers" did that or anything...
3/9: Perhaps things are different at your church - one of the, what, million protestant sects? However, the snake handling pentacostal calvinist wannabeatelevangelist "churches" here typically only use snippets.
3/14: Hell, most "Protestant" "churches" in my area are simply shrines to the ego (and pocketbook) of the "pastor."
3/28: Luther was a self-absorbed idiot...and his followers are fools...a complete bunch of utter fools.
3/28: Perhaps I'll just convert to that calvinist cult I've heard so much about.
3/31: That's the real origin of the Anglican church - born of sin and a king's ego,
 

49 posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 1:28:48 PM by Alex Murphy

There is only one Way that we are joined together as the Body of Christ - through the One Church. Salvation comes into the world in the person of Jesus, and He established one Church to bring His Salvation to the world. The Church is necessary, for She is the principal instrument through which God's grace enters the world.

Everyone should then, to assure their salvation, be a formal member of this Church and profess what She professes. However, we make allowances for God to have mercy on those, who for reasons beyond their control, do not formally join the Catholic Church.

That's it. Those not formally part of the Catholic Church who are not culpable for this fact can be saved anyway. But this salvation is only possible because these people will be, in some mystical way, "inside" of the Church.

What of it? Those who don't accept our teaching cannot be justified. Does that mean that small children and the feeble can not be justified? No. There are always exceptions for culpability.

We also believe that all Christians know the Gospel of Jesus thanks to the Catholic Church who have obediently have preserved it for 2000 years, and that for that reason salvation is only through the Catholic Church.

Just as gravity applies to everyone, regardless of those who don’t believe in it, so too does the truth administered to the world by the Catholic Church apply to all people.

 

I guess I don't consider them to be Catholics, and the other categories really don't matter to me.

And I think people who slam the Blessed Mother, whatever they call themselves, are idiots and I really don't care what they worship.

I remember what an ever-loving dunce I was when I believed all that nonsense.
 

A protestant, by definition, is someone who rejects some truths of the orthodox Christian faith ... or teaches things which are alien to it. That makes them all heretics, to some extent.

Some protestants' behaviour is antithetical to Christianity (so is some Catholics').
 

Catholics are no more innocent of the religious flamewars here than Protestants are.

1/23: Brace thyself for the attacks of snake handlers, calvinists, "non-denoms" and others...
1/24: If you're upset that I called out the cults for what they are...sorry...but it's still an accurate depiction of the non-denoms, mormons, calvinists and other wacky cults.
2/5: Mormons...the cult that's become commonplace...so hard-up for membership that they have to resort to attempted spiritual kidnapping of the dead...
2/13: Fact is, John Calvin was an unintelligent, perverse fraud who founded a cult known as "calvinism." The Episcopal "Church" was started by an English king who could not get the Pope to accept the king's immoral ways. Luther was a disaffected, likely egomaniacal priest. Protestantism is a breakoff of mainstream Christianity that seeks to glorify the pastor more than the Lord. Presby's are some of the laziest "Christians" out there...as are all of their predestination cousins.
2/14: Would the calvinist cult members like some damnation with their heresy?
2/15: As for your post, you're also off base and reciting a continual lie of the snake handlers, calvinists and "pastor" worship folks at the Church of the Almighty Dollar.
2/21: Hey...I'm not surprised by anything the snake-handling crowd does. Their "churches" are simply shrines to the "pastors" - no theological foundation...
3/1: Why is this listed as a Catholic interest article? Why not Calvinists? They're the ones who practice the witchcraft.
3/2: You'll note that it's "Calvin" College. Again, I ask why are the activities at a cult center in the midwest relevant to Catholics?
3/4: I tell ya, this "reverend" ... is nothing more than an uneducated bumpkin. Wonder how much money he's skimming from the ship of fools attending his "church..."
3/4: You'd be stunned by how quickly these snake handlers degrade into profanity, anger and threats.
3/4: Again, a demonstration of a protestant being ignorant...
3/4: Let's have a little fun with that wackiest of prot sects, the Baptists
3/5: Being a protestant is in itself a demonstration of ignorance...
3/6: The pentacostals, "church of God" and others are simply inventions of men...designed to pump the ego and line the pockets of the "pastors." But continue donating...I'm sure your pastor is happy in his new Benz...
3/7: Martin Luther, being a relatively lazy type, deleted a good chunk of the Bible? A British king, attempting to justify his own heresy and immorality, heavily edited a version to suit his own twisted lifestyle?
3/7: Yes, if you're a born again, declared protty, then you're clear to do whatever you wish..."date" male hookers, cheat on your spouse, defraud donors of money intended for religious purposes...not that any protestant "ministers" did that or anything...
3/9: Perhaps things are different at your church - one of the, what, million protestant sects? However, the snake handling pentacostal calvinist wannabeatelevangelist "churches" here typically only use snippets.
3/14: Hell, most "Protestant" "churches" in my area are simply shrines to the ego (and pocketbook) of the "pastor."
3/28: Luther was a self-absorbed idiot...and his followers are fools...a complete bunch of utter fools.
3/28: Perhaps I'll just convert to that calvinist cult I've heard so much about.
3/31: That's the real origin of the Anglican church - born of sin and a king's ego,