Posted on 07/21/2008 11:03:46 AM PDT by Raineygoodyear
“Would anyone know how the Jews determine who is a genealogical Levite, if the temple records were destroyed in 70 AD?”
By DNA, of course.
I am a Cohen by name and family tradition — and participated in a DNA study of Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jewish men.
In a second study, Dr. Skorecki and associates gathered more DNA samples and expanded their selection of Y chromosome markers. Solidifying their hypothesis of the Kohens’ common ancestor, they found that a particular array of six chromosomal markers were found in 97 of the 106 Kohens tested. This collection of markers has come to be known as the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH)—the standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family. The chances of these findings happening at random is greater than one in 10,000.
The finding of a common set of genetic markers in both Ashkenazi and Sefardi Kohanim worldwide clearly indicates an origin pre-dating the separate development of the two communities around 1000 C.E. Date calculation based on the variation of the mutations among Kohanim today yields a time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of the line, some 3,300 years, the approximate time of the Exodus from Egypt, the lifetime of Aharon HaKohen.
“Would anyone know how the Jews determine who is a genealogical Levite, if the temple records were destroyed in 70 AD?”
Methinks that you don’t have your facts straight:
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/genealogy.html
See also Post #22.
True, we have a Sefer Yuchsin, allegedly back to Aaron, but the version I have seen dates from the 1700s -— and my aunt go ahold of it, and she is a nut.
Personally, I have no idea. I just hope these people know what they're doing and aren't violating HaShem's will in any way.
May Mashiach come speedily and render all such debates academic!
Who?
Yes, a pure red heifer without blemish must be sacrificed before the foundation can be laid. However, no one knows what happened to the Ark of the Covenant.
Hmmmm, interesting. Personally, I don’t think that a cloned heifer would qualify because if G-d wants a red heifer to sacrifice, he will provide one naturally.
What race is that? I thought Kohanim were from India? as they say they are the ones of the Kohanim Priests..
and that Khazar Jews cannot be part of the Temple Priests
From some of the latest evidence I have been reading about...
I have no idea what “race” you mean. The tribe is Levi, just another semetic race, like pretty much most Jewish people, I guess.
I’m a lanky white guy. My family was kicked out of Spain during the Inquisition.
So naturally, the third holiest site for mooooslims must trump the the holiest site for Jews, since Islam is just oh so superior to all other religions. What is the 4th holiest site in Islam? The 5th? The 100th? How many "holiest" sites does a religion of murder and mayhem need?
Science has proved that we are descendants of the Cohanim or hereditary priests. This will improve our status in the Jewish community,’ says Ezra Moses, honorary secretary and trustee of Thane’s Shaar Hashamaim or Gate of Heaven synagogue.... ‘...Now the DNA tests have confirmed our claims,’ says Rachel Gadkar, a retired schoolteacher who recently published a book in Marathi called ‘Bharatiya Bene Israel’, that traces the origins of her community.... The current finding that the Bene Israel carry Moses’s genes is the result of a research project that started seven years ago.... Sixty-six-year old Phinas Bamnolkar, the hazan or cantor at the Thane synagogue says, ‘It was always our claim that we are descendants of Moses. Our claim has now been scientifically proved.’
That’s why I thought they were from India as some of the other writings is that the Original Tribes were not caucasions, and a caucasion cannot be considered a semite..I had not heard of that before
Slightly off topic:
1. There are all these signs at this place to the effect of “this item was donated in loving memory of Dr. and Mrs. Morris and Nancy Greenburg, of Cherry Hill, NJ.” Struck me as funny, for some unknown reason.
2. I know several of the people (relatives, in fact) who have been “practising” for the Temple. In recent Passovers, they went and observed the Samaritans (yes, there are a few left, probably 1,500) perform the ritual sacrifices to potentially copy their methods. I found this highly ironic, but then I am a cynic.
Of course, one could theoretically be a descendant of Aaron, and not be Jewish -— father decides your tribe, mom (or the mikvah, increasingly) determines your status as a Jew.
My daughters are not Jewish, for example, as I (detroying my status as a kohen, among other transgressions) married a non-Jew.
God has not abandoned His chosen people. The Jews will be brought into His Kingdom, perhaps through the temple with Christ at its head.
God alone may judge His people. By rejecting the Jews’ claim to Messiahship one condemns the Messiah.
That said, I hope these people know what they're doing. There are people who disagree with them.
So you are saying the tribe and the race are different?
Y-chromosome markers is to Jewish populations in the Middle East and beyond... Aaron thus became the first Jewish priest, or cohen, a tradition that has since been handed down from father to son. [Michael] Hammer, Karl Skorecki, David Goldstein, and colleagues studied Y markers from three hundred Jews, including more than one hundred cohanim, and found that half of the Jewish priests shared the same genetic signature, compared to less than 5 percent in the lay Jewish population.... The results of the DNA studies [of the Lemba people of South Africa] were stunning: a significant portion of the Lemba Y chromosomes exhibit the characteristic genetic signature found in the cohanim, including more than 50 percent of the Buba, one of the 12 Lemba clans. These markers have also turned up in the Bene Israel, the oldest Jewish community in India..
In the war of 1948, Abdallah’s Arab League, under British guidance, captured the eastern part of Jerusalem, including the Old City. The one significant change in the subsequent 19 years of Jordanian rule was the attempt to obliterate the Jewish presence and the signs of Jewish identity. It was at this time nonsense about the Temple Mount being a “holy site” in Islam started.
Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the koran.
It’s just B.S. to get arabs to kill Jews.
“So you are saying the tribe and the race are different?”
Sure. Tribal affilliation (from the 12) is dependent on the father. Jewishness is from the mother (or conversion).
You can think up any number of different scenarios where tribe and race don’t coincide.
Most Jewish people, for example, are “tribeless.” The exceptions are (generally) Levi and Cohen.
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