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To: Petronski
No need to be abusive. What is important is that the events happened. The Church existed before even a word of the NT was committed to paper.

Who's being "abusive", or are you trying to divert attention away from the substance of the discussion? What is important is that, without the Scripture, you would have no idea what the events which happened even were. Without Scripture, why would there be any reason to believe one group who claims that they "know" from their traditions how it all happened, versus any myriad of other groups making the same claim? "Traditions", such as they are, are defined by Scripture, and any tradition, of "the church" or otherwise, which deviates from Scripture, is a false tradition.

38 posted on 07/08/2008 9:41:08 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

The Catholic Church predates Scripture. Your analysis fails.


40 posted on 07/08/2008 9:42:44 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Without Scripture, why would there be any reason to believe one group who claims that they "know" from their traditions how it all happened, versus any myriad of other groups making the same claim?

The one group that DOES know from their traditions is the Catholic Church, because the fathers of the Catholic Church were THERE. Pope Peter I, Saints Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, etc.

43 posted on 07/08/2008 9:45:20 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“What is important is that, without the Scripture, you would have no idea what the events which happened even were. Without Scripture, why would there be any reason to believe one group who claims that they ‘know’ from their traditions how it all happened, versus any myriad of other groups making the same claim? ‘Traditions,’ such as they are, are defined by Scripture, and any tradition, of “the church” or otherwise, which deviates from Scripture, is a false tradition.”

The Gospel is not confined to Scripture. Scripture is a useful compilation of the Gospel, but the Gospel pre-existed the New Testament.


45 posted on 07/08/2008 9:51:30 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Nowhere in NT scripture is there a complete catcheism, nor is there a handbook or a rule book.


47 posted on 07/08/2008 9:58:25 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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