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To: dangus
Excuse me, but “Judaizers” were people who tried to bind Gentiles to the Talmud, by insisting on circumcision of converts. They also refused to eat in the presence of Gentiles, for fear that their own food might be contaminated. They held non-Gentiles in a 2nd-class status, within the Christian community.

So why do you try to bring Protestant converts to the Church Fathers? If chr*stianity rejects the Jewish Fathers of the Talmud then it has no business creating its own fathers to replace them.

71 posted on 07/08/2008 7:50:25 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayiftach HaShem 'et-pi ha'aton vato'mer leVil`am meh-`asiti lekha ki hikkitani zeh shalosh regalim?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

>> So why do you try to bring Protestant converts to the Church Fathers? If chr*stianity rejects the Jewish Fathers of the Talmud then it has no business creating its own fathers to replace them. <<

Boy, you’re really clinging to that notion that Catholicism disdains the Jewish Fathers with all your might, aren’t you? I’ll tell you what: It might take more Google foo than I’ve got, but if you can search through all my past statements, you’ll find me state several times: “The Jews won’t convert to Christianity until Christians properly understand Judaism.” I’ve even compared Christians to adopted children who think they’re loved more because Mommy and Daddy get them all new toys and treats, but the Jews are the older, natural-born children who love their parents not because they get a bunch of treats, but because they’re their parents.

I don’t know where you perceive this antipathy for the Jewish Fathers, but it’s not me, it’s not my church, and it’s not any true Christian.


76 posted on 07/08/2008 8:33:36 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I’m deciding I better ensure you understand my point.

>> Excuse me, but “Judaizers” were people who tried to bind Gentiles to the Talmud, by insisting on circumcision of converts. They also refused to eat in the presence of Gentiles, for fear that their own food might be contaminated. They held non-Gentiles in a 2nd-class status, within the Christian community. <<

These “Judaizers” weren’t merely Jews. They were Jews who were trying to enforce Talmudic law apon Christians, even when to do so posed an unreasonable burden. BY explaining who Judaizers were, I didn’t mean to accuse Jews of anything, but explain that these particular Jews were making demands of Christians that followers of Noachide laws would agree aren’t proper.


79 posted on 07/08/2008 8:38:16 PM PDT by dangus
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