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To: thefrankbaum
does God force salvation on us, does He only offer it to some of us, or is salvation available to anyone who accepts it?

Right, only to those who accept his gift. You are making an excellent point, but here's where I think we differ. The acceptance is what is required. Not a show of the acceptance, eventhough we all do in our own way. What I think with people as yourself is you have a hard time accepting the premise God's contact of unconditionality. When God say's, you will never perish there is not condition for that. When God says, no one can snatch you out of my hand there is no condition for that. When God says, you are an inherited child there is no condition for that.

The strangest thing many Christians have a hard time grasping when they backslide is not how they are going to live without God in a personal relationship, but how are they going to live WITH him? Why, because...

HE will not let you go!!!!

48 posted on 07/08/2008 2:34:39 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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To: sirchtruth
Right, only to those who accept his gift. You are making an excellent point, but here's where I think we differ. The acceptance is what is required. Not a show of the acceptance, eventhough we all do in our own way.

I'm glad we're coming to some sort of agreement here. I completely agree that acceptance of His gift is required. However, God has specified HOW to accept His gift. Not just calling Him "Lord, Lord," but rather doing the will of the Father. Now...what is the will of the Father? Jesus taught us in two simple commandments - Love God, and Love your neighbor. Doing such does not merit salvation, nor does it earn salvation - Faith and Works are the means of acceptance of His gift.

49 posted on 07/08/2008 2:45:51 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: sirchtruth

I’ve said that before, that God will always pursue you when you are saved, but it’s a concept that’s laughed at by some. Glad to see it here...


86 posted on 07/08/2008 9:41:49 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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