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To: sirchtruth
What is it about John 3:16 people don't get?

Ironic to ask that question of a Calvinist.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world: but that the world may be saved by him.
Not the "elect," but "the world."
17 posted on 07/08/2008 7:47:48 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

>> Not the “elect,” but “the world.” <<

Careful, Petronski... Don’t lapse into universalism! In fact, the word used here, “cosmos,” has been used to refer to the universe. (That pesky Carl Sagan!)

“The world” does not mean every inhabitant of the world. Take an apocalyptic science fiction movie, for instance “War of the Worlds.” Viruses are said to have “saved” “mankind” from destruction. “Mankind” includes all human beings. Yet the destruction of human life depicted in the movie is incalculable.

Without Christ, the entirety of mankind would be destroyed. With Christ, many are saved. Mankind, as a whole, is saved from destruction. But that does not mean that no man is destroyed.

This is the faith of the Catholic church as well as the Calvinists. Unfortunately, the English mistranslation of the Latin Mass has led many to believe in universalism. Thus, many in Rome are presently insisting that “for the good of all” be changed to “for the good of many.”


35 posted on 07/08/2008 12:14:08 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Petronski

***Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world: but that the world may be saved by him.

Not the “elect,” but “the world.”***

I think that they are in their own little world. Or room. Rubber, that is.


192 posted on 07/17/2008 4:22:43 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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