[Forest Keeper]

Just goes to show you what we Reformers have noted all along: the catholic Church herself is not what she used to be and has clearly fallen. I doubt she would be recognized by even ancient Catholics and many of them would, had they lived in a later time, been with us Reformers AGAINST a church that lost the gospel.

Amen! I think that's exactly right. The loyal opposition often uses the phrase "everywhere and always believed". From what I've learned around here that isn't even close to the truth.

[annalex]

isn't even close to the truth.

It was equally amuzing in the Soviet Union to watch two card-carrying talking heads on TV discussing the evils of America and agreeing on everything.

If we Catholics are such modernizers why is it that we argue from scripture and tradition and you puzzle over philosophical questions how we made God a failure and the sacrifice of the Cross unnecessary?