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To: Petronski
Mary and the saints reside in heaven. They do not hear our prayers. Only God hears and answers our prayers.

Scripture tells us time and again that we are to pray to God alone.

Otherwise, we are no better than pagans who presumed their silver and gold idols represented some supernatural force that could affect their lives.

"Beloved, flee from idolatry."

1,872 posted on 07/21/2008 2:48:02 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Mary and the saints reside in heaven.

You agree with the Catholic Church.

They do not hear our prayers.

False.

"Beloved, flee from idolatry."

Done and done. Did you mean to falsely insinuate I was engaging in idolatry?

1,894 posted on 07/21/2008 3:27:28 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Scripture tells us time and again that we are to pray to God alone.

Otherwise, we are no better than pagans who presumed their silver and gold idols represented some supernatural force that could affect their lives.

“Beloved, flee from idolatry.”

= = = =

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


1,906 posted on 07/21/2008 3:33:51 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Scripture tells us time and again that we are to pray to God alone.”

Indeed, and in no place in the Jewish Scriptures or the N.T. does anyone of God pray to anyone in Heaven but God. The only persons who prayed to anyone else are pagans, such as burned incense to the queen of heaven (Jer. 44).

(Psa 62:5-6) “My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him. {6} He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.”

In the context of prayer we are only called to cast our burdens upon God, whom we are assured (by Peter) cares for us (1 Pt. 5:7).

(Heb 7:25) “Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing

The role of the high priest and Heavenly intercessor is uniquely that of Christ (1 Tim. 2:5), of whom alone the Spirit declares “ever liveth to make intercession for them” (Heb. 7:25), and this office is His right, and to pray to another impugns His honor and efficacy.

Nor is there any need to pray to anyone else, seeing as Jesus alone “was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin”, and thus not only can empathize with the feeling of our weakness but very uniquely is qualified to enable us to overcome (Heb. 4:15).

(Heb 2:18) “For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”

(Heb 7:25) “Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing

The role of the high priest and Heavenly intercessor is uniquely that of Christ (1 Tim. 2:5), of whom alone the Spirit declares “ever liveth to make intercession for them” (Heb. 7:25), and this office is His right, and to pray to another impugns His honor and efficacy.

Finally, no manner of universal adoration is given by anyone of God to in Scripture but the Lord, “And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. {14} And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.” (Rev 5:13-14; cf. Is. 2:17).

To truly follow after the example of Mary we will pray only to the one who is made the object of Heavenly prayer and universal worship, even God my Savior.


1,961 posted on 07/21/2008 4:29:30 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Give your sins and life to Him who died your us and rose again. Jesus is Lord.)
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