Catholics & Salvation; And the answer is: Maybe.

Stand To Reason ^ | Gregory Koukl

[Petronski]

Interesting urge you express there, to suppress free speech.

[hosepipe]

[ This was before Holy Spirit flooded in on them with Himself. Then, they learned through various sources that monks there prayed demons into such figurines before their shipment to the West. ]

Not sure that that is/was possible.. unless a demon is a spiritual idea.. but then all ideas could be spiritual.. That ideas originate in the spirit and are manifested through the soul to the flesh.. or something like that...

[Quix]

Given all the Scriptural givens,

gross ignorance of demonic forces; their implications and operations . . .

is unlikely to cause any protection from them whatsoever.

[Quix]

[Quix]

The Lord God Almighty has taught me and blessed me with the freedom to forgive immediately and to avoid holding any of that list of things against anyone.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.

[Quix]

RE: the fantasy that the Roman Catholic Church was founded prior to several hundred years after Christ:

[Petronski]

The Catholic Church was founded by Christ, circa AD 32.

[hosepipe]

[ Worship and honor are a matter of intent. Being unaware of any "secret statue" baked right in, how could they form the intent to worship or honor it? ]

Remember we're talking followers of Santeria here, whose psuedo gods can be easily worshipped through idols.. which are used to bring to remembrance "the god".. or demi-god in question.. Santeria devotees don't worship "the statue" but what the statue "stands for".. real or imagined.. Basically all idol worshippers do that.. Upon being accused of idol/statue worship they(the shamans) say thats rididulous..

[Quix]

They ended up forming a house church . . . that ended up collecting a lot of the hopeless cases from the mental hospitals and churches of all denominations all over Southern California.

They implemented strict spiritual house cleansings as a condition for joining the congregation.

In every case, where there were such figurines, dreadful things that had persistently plagued the family stopped when the figurines were destroyed and the houses cleansed and prayed over.

I’ll go with their explanation.

[Petronski]

Remember we're talking followers of Santeria here...

No, we're talking about the Catholic owner of the theoretical statue of Mary with a secret statue baked right in.

Being unaware of it, they cannot be worshiping (honoring, venerating, etc.) it or what it represents.

[Quix]

The [Roman] Catholic Church was founded by Christ, circa AD 32.

What unmitigated balderdash!

[Petronski]

The Catholic Church was founded by Christ, circa AD 32.

[Quix]

This level of lack of awareness of such aspects, forces etc. in such contexts could go a long ways toward explaining the

utter . . . . -ness and lack of awareness of

the dynamics, import etc. of idolatry in the RC edifice.

[Petronski]

NGR invoked.

[Quix]

[hosepipe]

[ In every case, where there were such figurines, dreadful things that had persistently plagued the family stopped when the figurines were destroyed and the houses cleansed and prayed over. I’ll go with their explanation. ]

Me too.. considering where they come from.. They might know things "we" don't...

[Quix]

Thanks.

I think the Scriptural commandments and exhortations are plenty clear.

THOU SHALT HAVE

NO

OTHER

GODS

BEFORE ME

—Almighty God.

Rationalizing away the plastic, stone, wooden Mary’s, etc. won’t wash when face to face with God Almighty.

[Petronski]

Catholicism does not teach that Mary is a God.

At every celebration of the Mass the congregants begin a profession of faith by saying “We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth...”

[Quix]

ACTIONS

speak louder than words.

[Petronski]

Lying about Catholic faith is an action too.