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Catholics & Salvation; And the answer is: Maybe.
Stand To Reason ^ | Gregory Koukl

Posted on 07/07/2008 10:39:05 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: trisham

Petronski was wronged? By a loving Christian who cares deeply about him and all the rest of us? Whew. Are you guys all cut from the same cloth or what?


1,601 posted on 07/20/2008 5:36:35 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: TXnMA

You were very wise, my dear. M


1,602 posted on 07/20/2008 5:42:36 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: andysandmikesmom

I remember a story about a man who visited his wife in the nursing home every day and one day someone asked him why he bothered. “She doesn’t remember you,” she said. “Oh, but I remember HER,” was his reply. Faithfulness is a wonderful trait in a marriage.


1,603 posted on 07/20/2008 5:45:46 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Sola scripture is the work of satan? Add another one to the deception list. I don’t know where you guys come up with all this heresy.


1,604 posted on 07/20/2008 5:49:14 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Judith Anne; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ When A-G expresses agreement, affection, and gratitude to a poster who characterizes Catholic posters as “white hanky brigade” and “attack dogs” and does the same to a poster whose abuse of scripture is the validation for mocking the Catholic Church, then it becomes impossible to think that A-G’s use of “dear” in addressing any Catholic poster is sincere. ]

Alamo-girl never mocks anyone.. However Santeria(mostly latin) followers that take idols(statues) of BA-BA-Lu (santeria[african] god) and mold OVER them(in clay) idols(statues) of Mary then fire them, THAN sell them to Roman Catholics.. So that (those)Roman Catholics are in reality worshipping(honoring) BA-Ba-Lu... NOW thats MOCKING.. They do the same with statues of "saints" also paintings.. first of Ba-Ba-lu and then painted over of some roman catholic psuedo deity(according to the Ba-ba-lu-I-ae).. even the so-called picture of "Jesus"..

I learned this in Miami.. when I used to live there.. i.e. a hot bed of Santeria.. This has been going on in latin America for a couple hundred years.. Since I would NOT be caught dead with an idol it didnt bother me much.. On many mantels in Miami and other places are statues of Ba-ba-lu masked as Mary.. Quite devious I think.. but extremely creative..

1,605 posted on 07/20/2008 6:04:30 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Marysecretary

It is what it is, and sola scriptura is most definitely one of the greatest heresies of all time if not the greatest. It has dragged many wonderful Christians into opposing Christ and rejecting the 2000+ years of true Christian belief shared by Catholics and Orthodox.

When I see my fellow Christians mired in this most sinister heresy, many with sick hateful hearts, I can be nothing else but sad... but forever prayerful and hopeful for them.


1,606 posted on 07/20/2008 6:08:38 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: Marysecretary

You’re right.

SHE is one of many who are deceived.


1,607 posted on 07/20/2008 6:26:10 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Forest Keeper

I’ve never heard that in any other church but Catholic. We baptized infants in the Methodist church as well but it wasn’t attached to their salvation.


1,608 posted on 07/20/2008 6:29:37 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Petronski

Catholics are the deceived ones. I hope it won’t cause you to miss heaven.


1,609 posted on 07/20/2008 6:30:53 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary

You deny yourself the Seven Blessed Sacraments. Do not dare to lecture me about missing Heaven by my Catholic faith.

There is no more ridiculous hypocrisy on earth.


1,610 posted on 07/20/2008 6:47:59 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: TXnMA

Thanks for your very kind remarks...that was very poetic, very sad, and yet so very beautiful, how you described your dad’s slow mental decline..you have faithfully described the course that Alzheimers takes....

We gad two gentlemen on the Alzheimers wing, who had been engineers during their working years...men with busy minds, that needed stimulation....we find a great solution...

We found a working engineer, a friend of some staff member, and he designed and constructed a number of what I can describe as ‘workboards’, for these two gentlemen....they were made out of thick wood, and had screws, and bolts and nuts, and wrenches, and all sorts of tools on it, and there seemed to be some inherent problem in the way he set it up, for an engineer to figure out...it was fun to watch these two gentlemen, sitting at a table pouring over the problem, trying this, trying that, discussing the problem with each other, as best as they could...they would spend hours pouring over those workboards, and felt as if they had really accomplished something for the day...when they felt they had solved the problem, and were bored with the current workboard, the engineer working on the outside would bring in a new one...

Trying to custom fit activities for each Alzheimers patient, which arouses their interest, and keeps them busy and happy, can be a difficult chore, but when you hit upon the right thing for them, it is a true blessing...some Alzheimers wings I have visited, in trying to gain more knowledge into this area, have proved worthwhile endeavors...one nursing home, had a whole kitchen right on the Alzheimers wing, so that the ladies could cook, under close supervision...they loved it...and they also had a sewing circle, where they were under close supervision...so that even many of these Alzheimers, patients were in a nursing home, depending on the nursing home, they could continue those activities in the nursing home, which gave them pleasure in better times...

We had one gentleman, who showed little interest in anything much....he just seemed to like to walk around....ah, but then we realized what gave him great pleasure....he was walking around but he was listening carefully to what other people were saying....and then he would come up to them, and critique their grammar...for you see, he had been an English Professor, at a large university....so each time I would care for him, I would make sure to make some grammatical blunder, sometimes obvious, sometimes not so obvious, to see if he caught it....most of the time he did, and he quite delighted in correcting my grammar...sometimes, I would try not to make any grammatical blunders and he would compliment me...that is what seemed to give him the greatest pleasure, listening, to someone else’s grammar, and then critiquing it or praising it...


1,611 posted on 07/20/2008 7:02:17 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: OLD REGGIE; Dr. Eckleburg; Petronski; 1000 silverlings; wmfights; Quix; P-Marlowe; Lord_Calvinus; ..
Well yes, there is that out, assuming of course, you are among those ignorant fools who don't know the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ.

Does this apply to the EO. They are in schism with them and do not recognize the Pope as supreme authority.

It seems to me if Jesus wanted to create a hierarchy here on earth He would have gone into the Temple and installed himself as it's head and placed the Apostles in leadership positions. Who would have stopped him?

Instead he took the outcasts of society and transformed the world spiritually. It was the element of his followers who wanted a physical transformation of the world that left him in John chapter 6.

1,612 posted on 07/20/2008 7:09:01 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Marysecretary

I envy my hubby’s uncle and his new bride as well....I have never seen an old couple do as much as they do...they are like a whirlwind, that never stops...

Last year, right around this time, the uncle took my hubby to China and Tibet with him....my hubby was shocked at how spry his uncle is...the hubby came home, literallly worn out, and yet, his uncle was already planning their next cruise together....

Of course now that uncle has remarried, those cruises will be reserved for his new wife...good, says the hubby, he can hardly keep up with his uncle, more than 20 years older than him...

Still, the hubby loved his several weeks in China and Tibet...


1,613 posted on 07/20/2008 7:10:52 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: 1000 silverlings; OLD REGGIE; Dr. Eckleburg
"know"? um, that would be Gnosticism, and then only Gnostics would know...

If the magisterium claims the sole ability to infallibly understand God's revelation to humanity aren't they making the same claims as the gnostics? They are claiming a secret knowledge and that only through that secret knowledge can salvation be found.

1,614 posted on 07/20/2008 7:13:57 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: big'ol_freeper

May The Lord God Almighty

rebuke emphatically

such pit inspired insult against His Word, His Living Word and the Paragon Priority of His Living Word.


1,615 posted on 07/20/2008 7:15:09 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: hosepipe

INDEED.


1,616 posted on 07/20/2008 7:19:10 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: big'ol_freeper; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; BnBlFlag; Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear; Forest Keeper; ...

Heaven and earth shall pass away

AND EVERY UNIQUE VESTIGE OF THE RC EDIFICE shall be utterly erased

But His Word shall never pass away.

I’d say betting on Sola Scriptura is an exceedingly safe bet.


1,617 posted on 07/20/2008 7:20:52 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: Petronski

Missing Heaven by the

unvirtues of

unforgiveness, bitterness, resentment, unhealed anger, carnal critical judgment and stubbornness

is more likely.


1,618 posted on 07/20/2008 7:22:42 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: wmfights

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


1,619 posted on 07/20/2008 7:23:51 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: wmfights
It seems to me if Jesus wanted to create a hierarchy here on earth He would have gone into the Temple and installed himself as it's head and placed the Apostles in leadership positions. Who would have stopped him?

What a silly thing to say.

Christ did exactly what He wanted to do. He started His Church just as He wanted it, and 1970+ years later, His Church is doing just fine.

1,620 posted on 07/20/2008 7:24:23 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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