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Catholics & Salvation; And the answer is: Maybe.
Stand To Reason ^ | Gregory Koukl

Posted on 07/07/2008 10:39:05 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: DaveMSmith

It would be an interesting discussion. Remember our Lord always spoke everything motivated by love, yet He called the Pharisees “sons of the devil” and lawyers “vipers”; hardly faltering terms. In fact, when compared to some of the things our Lord called people, FR is rather tame. :O)


101 posted on 07/08/2008 5:40:39 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
It isn't that man doesn't have free will. He just cannot exercise it.

I'm sorry to laugh out loud at you, but please...you're lurching into the absurd.

102 posted on 07/08/2008 5:51:15 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: DaveMSmith

I agree. There is no contradiction between faith and works. Both are necessary to salvation. Works by themselves are not sufficient for salvation but faith without works, as St. Paul says, is dead. Indeed, works are the outward sign of one’s faith, the living of one’s faith.


103 posted on 07/08/2008 7:22:14 PM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: Gamecock

If Christ “covers” or forgives our future sins then that is exactly a license to sin. Moreover, it is just a short step from believing that Christ “covers” out future sins to believing that there really is no such thing as sin any more since it is not possible for a believer to separate himself from God no matter what he does. Oh, wait a minute, a number of mainline Protestant denominations already believe that.


104 posted on 07/08/2008 7:28:57 PM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: HarleyD; DaveMSmith; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Ottofire; ChurtleDawg
Dave [paraphrased]: To me, the following describes living: Luke 10:25 And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 26 He said to him, "What is written in the law?

Harley: Sure, if you can love the Lord with all your heart, soul and mind as well as your neighbor (meaning everyone); you will inherit eternal life. However, most of us find that to be a bit of a challenge. I'm sure the lawyer who stood up to test our Lord found it to be equally as difficult.

Yup. In fact it wasn't an hour ago that I had a nice discussion with my deacon about HOW Jesus answered questions in His ministry. It's fascinating to watch how He took completely different approaches depending on who the questioner was. Here, the blood-sucking lawyer rose to test Jesus so he got the answer he did. Others ask a similar question and are told to believe.

105 posted on 07/08/2008 7:37:42 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Ottofire; ChurtleDawg
Yup. In fact it wasn't an hour ago that I had a nice discussion with my deacon about HOW Jesus answered questions in His ministry. It's fascinating to watch how He took completely different approaches depending on who the questioner was. Here, the blood-sucking lawyer rose to test Jesus so he got the answer he did. Others ask a similar question and are told to believe.

So, you'll cherry-pick the easiest route possible to Salvation? The Lord responded to the question of eternal life with the commandments in Matt 19:16, Mark 10:17, and Luke 18:18.

In Mark 10:21 "Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him..." and a more difficult reply than for the 'blood sucking lawyer'

Sorry, the Good Samaritan story is a vital part of the Word. It's the narrow path.

106 posted on 07/08/2008 7:56:09 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (If you know these things, you are blessed if you act upon them. John 13:17)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Thanks for the ping.


107 posted on 07/08/2008 8:02:43 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

That just isn’t true. You CAN know you’re saved before they close the lid over you. When you receive the Lord Jesus Christ into your life (by choice) and repent of your sins, you are saved and you are one of His. My husband was Catholic and when he was born again, he said it was like a load lifted off his shoulders to know that he didn’t have to wonder anymore if he was going to die in sin. Jesus came for ALL our sins, present, past and future. When you confess your sins to HIM, He forgives you and cleanses you of all unrighteousness.


108 posted on 07/08/2008 8:52:45 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: chuckles

Thank you, chuckles. That was a fine post.


109 posted on 07/08/2008 8:53:59 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: defconw

It’s ONLY because we are concerned about your souls. When you depend on baptism for salvation, or works, or the Eucharist, or Mary, then you are lost. It’s Jesus and Jesus only who died on that cross for you, defconw. Nobody else.


110 posted on 07/08/2008 8:55:59 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: alnick

I never heard of any Baptists who approved of abortion, have you? I was a Baptist and we were very much against it. I think that’s baloney.


111 posted on 07/08/2008 8:57:38 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Never watched Seinfeld.


112 posted on 07/08/2008 8:58:19 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: P-Marlowe

AMEN. That is soooo right on!


113 posted on 07/08/2008 8:59:01 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: steadfastconservative

Sorry, but we don’t think we can just go ahead and sin. A truly born again person cannot get away with it. The indwelling Holy Spirit convicts us of sin and it’s not very pleasant when He does. When we sin, we can confess our sins to God through His Son, and we are forgiven. Catholics go to a priest for absolution and then many go right out and repeat their sins over and over again. It’s human nature. That’s why we need a SAVIOUR.


114 posted on 07/08/2008 9:01:22 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: magisterium

Not all Catholics are Christians and not all Christians are Catholics. We’re a mixed bunch. Going to any church will not ‘make you’ a Christian. It’s what you do with Jesus. HE is the gateway to Heaven, and He alone. If He’s not your Saviour, you are lost. Period. No baptism, no Eucharist, no Pope, no repeating the Rosary 15 times a day, no works will save you, only your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and your obedience to Him.


115 posted on 07/08/2008 9:04:25 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: sandyeggo

And not true.


116 posted on 07/08/2008 9:05:58 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: ChurtleDawg

After salvation, we have to live according to God’s principles. It’s not a one time deal. Our lives have to change and we have to live by our faith.


117 posted on 07/08/2008 9:07:15 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: DaveMSmith

Exactly. It’s not easy to live according to God’s principles but we can do it because of the indwelling Holy Spirit and Jesus’ example. It’s like swimming against the (worldly) tide. You are different from the rest of the world and you have to fight its temptations almost daily. Gives you spiritual muscles, though. (smile)


118 posted on 07/08/2008 9:09:48 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: chuckles

Amen, chuckles. Wonderful post.


119 posted on 07/08/2008 9:19:10 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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